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Yes. When we reported feedbacks back to CCP and we told to everyone, why so sucks this UI. CSM what did ?
I tell to you, they are just told gushy words to everyone in the Eve Radio, what a successful thing is the new inventory system. Echo of CCP.

But the new inventory system on Sisi wasn't really fine. We tested every day and we instantly realized, it is not true what the CSM said.

If it wasn't for the fact I have the inability to travel at the will of a corporation based on my lack of a passport, and my contractual obligation to the US military, I'd run for CSM my damned self. And if I could, you better ****ing believe I'd be rolling in with a fistful of player concerns.

Except the cooldown timer would probably be close to a year.

+1

Pretty sure we're already working on it, pretty sure Jack didnt elect either of us, pretty sure no one in this thread even knows what the point is in the first place.

But do continue to increase your post counts. I'll be over here doing real work to address real problems from players who just want their sandbox experience to be as seamless, rich, and enjoyable as possible, communicate when that isnt happening in a clear, reasonable way, and listen when the target of those communications respond.

Impossible to please whiners and trolling alts will be largely ignored. Outstanding ones will be made targets of ridicule for my amusement, and the amusement of voters at large.

Have a great day!

The only thing we missed the mark on was explaining to the players what we'd been up to, its not like we hadn't already been writing up feedback in the forums and referring the devs to all the relevant threads on the issue. That was my earlier point. Communication with the players is important and there's of course room for improvement, but our priority will always be making sure CCP has everything in detail first whether or not we than re-post all the same complaints in a public forum.

We're also allowed to have a sense of humor, especially when players come at us like we have a magic wand to revert the UI into its old system or charm CCP into obeying our very whim. It's important that players understand that the RIGHTEOUS FURY often exhibited in forum threads just isn't a tool the CSM has at their disposal, especially when leveled at developers who are already addressing the problems as we speak. It's obnoxious to be yelled at to go do something you're already doing, and it would quickly get the CSM ignored as much as it does players who abuse the same tactics.

Does it make for a quiet or boring CSM sometimes? Absolutely. But we're not here to entertain, inspire, march in protests or lead crusades, we're here to calmly, clearly, and effectively communicate player concerns to CCP in a manner that gets results. As you can already see by the most recent Dev Blog, the first batch of results is on the way.

For some RL reasons I haven't had much chance to spend time with it and form and "official" position. What little I've seen of it I have to admit I found it confusing at best. As to how to untangle it and make it a net improvement from the old system, not sure at this point but I intend to spend some time with it this weekend and see if I could come up with anything as well as look for ideas from the players as to possible fixes.

Remember, the CSM is only advisory, its not like we have access to the source code and could make changes ourselves or we can order CCP to change things.

This looks to be one of those "waffle" features where the first attempt was less than ideal, but we need think about how to make the second "waffle" the one we wanted in the first place because in the current mess there are some good ideas (filters for example).

Issler

"The Council of Stellar Management (CSM) is a player-elected council who represent the views of the members of the EVE Online community to CCP. "

Now, CSM guys just go to testserver feedback and go to https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104383&find=unread and read the CSM guys at the first pages and read the other messages.

First day: CSM guy representing the UI : "Look at this heroic stuff. Just LOOK AT IT!!!
It's the UI so you kind of have to look at it"

Their tongue so long and deep in CCP .... :P

He look at it, we tried it.


But check the reality and check the testers answers after few days.

:The new inventory system is bugged, I logged in last night and just about shat myself, as ALL of my BPO's, ore and mods were missing from my main station.

At first I thought it was just a filterning glitch, but after a good 30 mins of playing with filters & also checking the assets window, it was clear all my good ships and stuff from this station was gone, where stuff I had elsewhere was not and still showing.

at first I thought I may have been hacked, despite having rock solid AV/malware protection and intelligent enough to avoid the usual hacker pitfalls.

Then I stumbled into the Science and industry section to check on some queued jobs, and oddly, the BPOs were all shown on the blueprint tab there ... I tried to Manufacture one, and it complained that I had no ore (further proof it wasnt just filtering)

oddly, after doing this, that single BPO appeared in my item hanger. I repeated this process and got all my BPOs back,

next I went on to trying to find my missing ores and mods, now thinking this was just a glitch. On the search portion of the Assets window, I punched up Tritanium, low and behold it was there, but still did not show on the ALL items tab .. Bizzare huh ?

So I basically spent hours contracting all the items to another charcacter, and then back again and got most of it back .. really annoying.

Oh, and damn, CCP has no phone support >? and my petitions so far have gone unacknowledged, even though I now technically have all my stuff.

anyone else experience something like this ? "

"ok, I just logged into sisi and am trying it out. For the love of god do not replace our current UI with this!!!!! I cant even open my orca corp hangers in a separate window, and I dont like having to spawn my custom windows with shift clicking. And when I dock, I cant just keep my current windows open, I have to reuse one of them to start going down a list to start spawning more... I hate this. I cant say this enough. this is not a step forward for my inventory management. Release this as a new feature that does not replace my current windows, or don't release it at all. I have been with eve since Beta in 2003, and if you replace my windows with this crap, then I don't see myself sticking around for much longer. I don't mean to put down your great work and ideas with this. But this is an idea that needs lots of refinement and feedback before anyone should come close to the idea of replacing our current windows with it. The current UI is great because it allows everyone to customize it so heavily and simply... This one size fits all window does not come close for me. Thanks for the effort though guys... I do like being able to see estimated values, that's neat."

"I hope the devs are looking at the threads in Test Server Feedback and the almost overwhelmingly negative feedback.

Do not implement this.

If you haven't seen them..

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104539&find=unread

I'm not going to list all the problems here read the threads above."

ETC-ETC-ETC

How many feedback we wrote ? Tippia created a really usefull video for bugreports, to help for developers. But CSM guys just repeated their bsh**t in Eve Radio, the new UI is fantastic blablabla. But they never tried how many seconds need to open the inventory at POS, how many clicks need to repeat for open this crap inventory again and again, what a mess for a corphangar manager. How hard to handling when player trying to salvage and looting etc.

We have already seen those threads and pointed them out to the developers. Like I said, this thread is predominantly angry individuals ordering us to do what we've already been doing. You can link the threads again one more time if you'd like, or start even more threads linking old threads, but its neither necessary nor helpful.

The dev's are quite aware of these issues and are working to address many of them. Yelling at the CSM (who by the way have nothing to do with bug fixes and customer service - we work with development, not the GM's) won't make this process go any faster.

There is a difference between saying "everything is fine" meaning that there are zero problems with the UI, and saying "everything is fine" meaning that there are known problems but that they are actively being addressed. You can make the assumption all you want that we are somehow brown-nosing CCP and telling them it smells like roses, but you've heard plain and simple how we feel about the UI, it clearly needs further iteration before its the really cool feature it could be.

"Everything is NOT fine" would mean that not only are problems, but CCP doesn't appear to be doing anything about them either. THIS would be major cause for alarm, but this does not appear to be the case. We should have clarified this more during our radio talks, lesson learned.

It happens. There was a lot to keep on top of in Inferno that looked like it might turn out poorly. Wardecs, FW, first steps at ship balancing.

My main point at this juncture is that being mocking and dismissive of folks that have legitimate concerns and criticisms is not constructive. It only serves to alienate you from the playerbase. Their anger is feedback to be passed on and learn from, not something that needs to be repressed.

People (by and large) don't expect you to run CCP, they do expect you to listen to and represent them. They get understandably angry if they feel that is not happening.

Is that being unreasonable and worthy of mockery?