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New dev blog: Unified Inventory Changes

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Dex Sudaka
Perkone
Caldari State
#801 - 2012-05-25 09:54:27 UTC
Played for a few hours yesterday. Tried to see the good in this new Inventory thing. Found nothing. I still prefer the old, at least it wasn't laggy. I find myself missing chances, and spending far longer looting and salvaging. Not for a game where every milisecond counts.

Probably the worst of the most pathetic pilots in New Eden.

Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#802 - 2012-05-25 09:59:27 UTC
The thing that everyone's pissed about isn't really the whole "HERE'S YOUR ******* UI, NOW EAT IT AND SHUT UP" deal, although that attitude is definitely not helping. It's that CCP didn't even consider any of the feedback from SiSi before deploying this horrible mess. There's hundreds of posts on SiSi about how and why Inferno wasn't ready for deployment, but CCP basically sent them a few halfhearted platitudes and deployed it anyway, with CCP Soundwave farting in everyone's general direction by stating that they weren't going to roll it back.

Please explain why CCP will not be rolling it back and continuing iteration on SiSi? Your company literally had server daemons crashing when this crap was deployed, and while I understand a lot of that was just stuff that only showed up when 40k people played, but there was plenty of well-reasoned posts about why Inferno was a no-go. I also refuse to believe that your internal tests didn't show any problems, considering the volume of bug reports and node crashes. I realize you guys have a deadline, but certainly people could wait a bit longer while you ironed out the big problems on SiSi. Sure, Crucible wasn't perfect in many ways, but goddamnit, it was playable.

Sure, you'll take a PR hit for rolling back a feature, but at least you'll show that you're listening to the players, something your company has championed from the beginning.

In the future, make a topic in SiSi asking for a go/no-go on deployment to TQ, and this time, ******* listen.

(Also, why is the forum censored when in-game chat isn't?)

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Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#803 - 2012-05-25 10:04:01 UTC
Dex Sudaka wrote:
Played for a few hours yesterday. Tried to see the good in this new Inventory thing. Found nothing. I still prefer the old, at least it wasn't laggy. I find myself missing chances, and spending far longer looting and salvaging. Not for a game where every milisecond counts.



Maybe you check the UI from wrong direction. First, you need to work for CCP and you will be happy with this shiny,great,inventory (i'm just joking, this shiny is not true). Because that's would be your creation, but you are a player now and you see without bias why so horrible this UI. Twisted
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#804 - 2012-05-25 10:13:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
May O'Neez wrote:
The opt-out option is silly, because by principle people will NOT use the new system.
So what?

It's not a Maoist revolution ....



You almost found the right word.

It is a Masohist evolution Twisted
JTK Fotheringham
Ducks in Outer Space
#805 - 2012-05-25 10:14:59 UTC
Hi,

Played for a couple of hours this morning. I'm with a WH corp, we have a thing called a pos, and you know, it has guns. Not to mention a lot of stuff. Oh, and about 100 ships. There are in the region of 350 or more unique "hangers" if you include both slots in each of our laser batteries.

There used to be a 1-2 sec load time on any array with a lot of stuff. Could live with that.

The 12-15 second delay now - because the unified inventory wants to load every single item in all the hangers - is heck of annoying. And the filters are useless. Would you be able to add filters for location, not item type? E.g. "Corp Hangers" "Ship Arrays" "Labs" "Silos"?

Also I can't find a way to open two inventory windows side by side - this is going to annoy me when I log on with my Industry alt later.

I've not looked, but I'm 95% sure people will have raised these points with you before this was deployed.
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#806 - 2012-05-25 10:18:01 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
Dex Sudaka wrote:
Played for a few hours yesterday. Tried to see the good in this new Inventory thing. Found nothing. I still prefer the old, at least it wasn't laggy. I find myself missing chances, and spending far longer looting and salvaging. Not for a game where every milisecond counts.



Maybe you check the UI from wrong direction. First, you need to work for CCP and you will be happy with this shiny,great,inventory (i'm just joking, this shiny is not true). Because that's would be your creation, but you are a player now and you see without bias why so horrible this UI. Twisted

When my customers tell me something is hugely broken, I don't just scream TOO BAD, YOU'RE GETTING IT ANYWAY. I go to the team leader, let him know of the problem, and then we figure out what's wrong and how to fix it. If there's isn't time left before the next release, we either don't deploy that change and hold it for the next release, or we hold the entire release altogether if it's a showstopper. We have an closed testing team made of handpicked players who we know provide good bug reports, and this testing team goes over the pre-release version of the game before deployment. The last round of internal testing revealed a plethora of enormous bugs (due to physics changes). We listened to our customers and fixed them, and then deployed after the serious bugs were fixed. Our other users now enjoy a much higher quality of game than before we instituted this system.

CCP should learn from this and listen to the SiSi testers, no matter how hard the facts are to swallow. If a feature isn't ready, then it shouldn't be deployed.

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SPACCO TUTTO
Blue Loot Consortium
Rainbow Knights
#807 - 2012-05-25 10:26:22 UTC
shift-click don'work on starbase corporate hangar or Orca corporate hangar
Huey DeweyLuey
The Polar bears
#808 - 2012-05-25 10:36:19 UTC
Firstly my pos is in storgae so not concerned about pos's at the moment. But I am finding the inventory system a real pain with the new changes.

If I am in a mining fleet and I no ;longer can right click on a ship and always open the appropriate inventory or hold, certainly not as quickly or easily as I used to be able to.
If I do successfully open up a new window then when I go to open up my cargo it opens up over the seperate window that I just opened up....AAHHHH!!!!!!. Ugh

It worked fine before and was simple to use, not impressed had similar trouble with hangar stuff until I realised uyou could open up new window, if you found the correct menu that is.

Can,t we just have a simpler inventory for non pos stuff please.Sad It worked beforeBlink

If I am missing something please feel free to tell me.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#809 - 2012-05-25 10:50:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rommiee
So, basically this... blog post from your boss was a load of crap
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#810 - 2012-05-25 10:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Rommiee
Double post
Mikhail Glatinov
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#811 - 2012-05-25 11:01:45 UTC
Quote:
You have spoken, loudly and clearly, with your words and with your actions. And there were definitely moments in recent history when I wish I would have listened more and taken a different path.


Quote:
I was wrong and I admit it.


Quote:
I fully empathize with your disappointment in CCP. We would have been much better off positioning Incarna as an optional technology preview that interested players could have experienced and helped us to refine.


Quote:
Part of what led us down this path is the fact we have not communicated well.


Quote:
We really do have something that no one else has. EVE is still unique in the real and virtual world. This is our vision for her, and we want so badly to take you there. But getting there is not an entitlement. It will take hard work, open communication and, above all else, collaboration with you.


Quotes from CCP Hillmar blog.

CCP replace "incarna" with "inventory" and everything fits once more. You redoing your mistakes, you are failing to listen to your customers, you are been too stubborn about forcing down our throat what we DO NOT want and DO NOT need.

Bare minimum make it OPTIONAL, dont force it down on people.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#812 - 2012-05-25 11:02:16 UTC
Rommiee wrote:
SoHo White wrote:
I regret not logging onto the test server and telling you prior to the installation, that it is really AWFUL !


Hundreds of us did. It made no difference, they did it anyway.

Thats why I will NEVER test anything for them on SISI again, as there is clearly no fraking point.

Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#813 - 2012-05-25 11:04:04 UTC
Maraner wrote:
where is the damn CSM in all of this?



Read this:

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/22/jesters-trek-quote-of-the-week-play-another-game/

nuff said
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#814 - 2012-05-25 11:04:56 UTC
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#815 - 2012-05-25 11:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rommiee
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
New wallpaper for you: UI based "The Door"P


You need to photohop CCP Guard into that covered in flames and you are good to go
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
#816 - 2012-05-25 11:17:14 UTC
Rommiee wrote:
Maraner wrote:
where is the damn CSM in all of this?



Read this:

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/22/jesters-trek-quote-of-the-week-play-another-game/

nuff said


so... after reading all of that, why are these useless people still alive? sounded like the writer thought CSM7 was doing quite a FUBAR job to put it politely....
Sarina Berghil
New Zion Judge Advocate
#817 - 2012-05-25 11:36:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
New wallpaper for you: UI based "The Door"P


Looks like a window to me :P
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#818 - 2012-05-25 11:37:15 UTC
Mathieollo wrote:
Rommiee wrote:
Maraner wrote:
where is the damn CSM in all of this?



Read this:

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/22/jesters-trek-quote-of-the-week-play-another-game/

nuff said


so... after reading all of that, why are these useless people still alive? sounded like the writer thought CSM7 was doing quite a FUBAR job to put it politely....


The part about Darius III not even being invited to their own meeting, and was asking questions (not answering them) via an in-game channel speaks volumes.

Awesome.
Kasriel
#819 - 2012-05-25 11:42:56 UTC
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:
The thing that everyone's pissed about isn't really the whole "HERE'S YOUR ******* UI, NOW EAT IT AND SHUT UP" deal


actually for quite a lot of us that IS what we're pissed about, yet again CCP pushed out something that didn't add anything to the game - and infact took away from - and then said LALALALALA IT'S GREAT YOU HAVE TO USE IT

remind you of anything? the only difference is last time they had the good grace to admit they were wrong, backpedal and make an apology and a lot of - seemingly - heartfelt promises about not doing it again.. then just over a year later they do and try to placate everybody with IT'S OK SHIFT CLICK FIXES IT

that's not to say that we aren't pissed that they completely ignored the people who went on SiSi to test this.. thing and then got completely ignored when they were told about problems with it, that's a huge issue as well but maybe not for the sole purpose of because they ignored the feedback on a feature

it's because they went back on promises that were made then here's a great little bit

CCPHellmar wrote:
But getting there is not an entitlement. It will take hard work, open communication and, above all else, collaboration with you.


well congratulations CCP you showed us exactly how much you value us. remember

It’s not what you say, it’s what you do

we the players have told you repeatedly that we want the old version back, we've told you why. LISTEN TO US PLEASE
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#820 - 2012-05-25 12:03:04 UTC
Quote:

Quotes from CCP Hillmar blog.



And the classic quote from that blog....

Quote:
The greatest lesson for me is the realization that EVE belongs to you, and we at CCP are just the hosts of your experience


So, what happened to that, then ?