Science & Industry

I glossed over it on my first read through of the patch notes and had to go back to look for it after I saw the effects ingame:

Fixed an issue where BPCs invented with decryptors would sometimes have one less production run than they should have.

What this means is that, now, if you use a decryptor on a 1run BPC, you still get all of the bonus runs. Previously using a +2 run decryptor on a 1 run BPC would produce 2 runs instead of 3.

This meant that, for ship invention, if you wanted to use a decryptor you realistically had to use a full run BPC to avoid "losing" a run (and thus exploding your invention cost-per-output-run). Full run ship copies take a long time.

This is no longer the case.

This is a fairly substantial change, as now you can ALWAYS use a 1-run BPC for ship invention, cutting out what was, by far, the largest time factor.

This has an effect on the landscape.

I saw that but didn't have time to test it yet. Did you test this out? If it happens like you say it does, which is possible but I'm not completely sure, then it is a big change.

I wonder if it was a glitch that happened sometimes and not others under certain circumstances and not something that is a big a change.

Haulie:

Great post...also noticed this yesterday inventing the new T2 Small Overclocking Rig, and got 3-run BPCs with Sacred Manifesto on a single-run copy. This is amazing news! At first I thought it was just a glitch with the new BPO, but alas, its all but confirmed now.

Great day for inventors all over the Cluster!

Really?! That was a bug all along? I thought it was a feature!

/dance

For the BPC copiers this could be seen as a nerf as their max run BPC's are pretty worthless now.

Good. Maybe indie newblets will be able to find the occasional public copy slot, now.

The success chance is the same regardless of the number of runs used - this hasn't changed (though decryptors will alter the success rate).

This change applies only to the number of output runs produced when a decryptor affecting the output runs is used.

Previously, if you used a +9 run decryptor on a 1 run bpc of 425mm railgun, a successful attempt would produce a 9 run 425mm railgun II BPC.

If you used no decryptor, you would get a 1 run BPC - so 1 + 9 would still equal 9. One run would be lost.

Now it will produce a 10 run BPC - the 1 run you would have gotten had you not used a decryptor, plus the 9 runs from the decryptor.

So, previously:

1 run, no decryptor = 1 output run
1 run, + 9 decryptor = 9 output runs
300 run, no decryptor = 10 output runs
300 runs, +9 decryptor = 19 output runs.

NOW:

1 run, no decryptor = 1 output run
1 run, + 9 decryptor = 10 output runs
300 run, no decryptor = 10 output runs
300 runs, +9 decryptor = 19 output runs.

This is important for ship (and, to a lesser degree, rigs) invention, because the base output runs on a ship invention job are always 1, even with a full run BPC. The only way to get more than 1 ouput run was to use a decryptor, but if you used a decryptor with a 1 run BPC, you would lose one of your "bonus" decryptor runs.

Now you do not. So, if you want to use a decryptor for ship invention jobs, you can do it with a 1 run BPC, saving yourself the vast majority of the copy time required, and you won't lose any of your bonus decryptor runs.

huh.. i didnt even notice that. oh crap wrong char but meh to lazy to change.
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thats a good find :)

I've updated EVE IPH with this change. I did some testing on Sisi and found it to be true with 1 run BPCs. I haven't tried ship invention yet but will tomorrow.

I'm not sure it's going to have such a huge affect on invention overall. It's actually a great fix for something that seemed so stupid in the past (I honestly think it was a typo if the formula is right). I guess you don't have to wait for long copy times on ships but you won't get out the extra runs either. So it'll all be a wash I'm betting.

Bye bye, nice and complex game play ...

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