These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE Information Portal

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

New dev blog: Alliance Tournament X Random Draw Results

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-05-23 15:44:25 UTC
Fish Brain wrote:
PL, Hydra, 0utbreak, R0nin, Darkside, Paisti, SOLAR, Rote Kapelle, Black Legion, Nulli, Circle of Two, Negative Ten and a bunch of other top teams not being drawn is gonna make for some hardcore auctioning.

Congrats to the lucky teams that don't have to deal with the next few days.


100B isk ready for auctionShocked
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#42 - 2012-05-23 15:46:02 UTC
Fish Brain wrote:
PL, Hydra, 0utbreak, R0nin, Darkside, Paisti, SOLAR, Rote Kapelle, Black Legion, Nulli, Circle of Two, Negative Ten and a bunch of other top teams not being drawn is gonna make for some hardcore auctioning.

Congrats to the lucky teams that don't have to deal with the next few days.



Very much +1ing this.

The amount of isk that I can imagine will be slung round is going to be immense.
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#43 - 2012-05-23 15:50:51 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:

Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.


From the rules;

3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.

In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete.

And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots?

I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP.


I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams.


That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra?

Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment.

Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#44 - 2012-05-23 15:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Sreegs
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:

Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.


From the rules;

3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.

In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete.

And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots?

I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP.


I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams.


That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra?

Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment.

Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all.


The May 5th rule still applies we're just viewing them both as a single entity? Even if they switched internally the May 5th rule still applies.

:edit: Alliance switching is alliance switching. RvB is a unique case when compared to some others because they've been allowed to compete separately and did so fairly in the past unlike many many others. We're forcing them to compete as a single entity under the same rules as everyone else and that seems quite fair to me. We wouldn't have that problem in many other cases because the rule exists to combat entities which exist for the sole purpose of having multiple shots at the tournament. In this case we prevented that from happening by combining them as one for the purpose of entry from our perspective.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#45 - 2012-05-23 16:01:00 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:

Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.


From the rules;

3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.

In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete.

And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots?

I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP.


I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams.


That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra?

Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment.

Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all.


The May 5th rule still applies we're just viewing them both as a single entity? Even if they switched internally the May 5th rule still applies.


So if you went from Red to Blue on May 6th you're not eligible to compete?

Also I'd much appreciate an answer to my last paragraph, why this and not just limiting it to either entering red or blue?
Clolo
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-23 16:02:30 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
How many alliances did you had to take part in the random draw in total ?


77.



Do you have to have participated in the "random draw" to be eligible to bid in the auction?
Kadesh Priestess
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#47 - 2012-05-23 16:02:32 UTC
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5.
RvB isn't a special case in many regards. Rules assure us that as long as direct AT participants (those whom you see on the stream) are controlled by distinct real people, they should be fine.

Adding exclusions based on non-AT specific things sounds new to me.
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#48 - 2012-05-23 16:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Sreegs
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:

Red Federation and Blue Republic share a common CEO so they are unable to field separate teams as per our new rule of no B or C teams. RvB will remain a single entity for this tournament and this fits with their theme of running 'Purple' during war situations.


From the rules;

3. All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.
4. All alliance members are eligible to compete in any match in which their alliance is taking part, subject to all applicable rules; teams do not have to remain the same between games.

In relation to rule 3; Can you please confirm that this applies the same to RvB as it does to everybody else? What I mean is that somebody that switched from Red to Blue or vice versa after this date is not eligible to compete.

And in relation to rule 4; That any one team fielded by RvB during any one match 'under the Purple flag' during the alliance tournament will consist exclusively of either only Blue or Red pilots?

I'm bringing this up because since all other players in other Alliances are subject to these rules and making an exception for RvB would reek quite heavily of favouritism from CCP.


I would love an explanation of the favoritism charge because were that the case we'd have just let them compete as two separate teams.


That quite simply while you may view them as one entity they are not so in game they are two separate alliances, if you allow somebody that switched between them to compete, then why would you not allow somebody that switched from say the Goons to TEST after that date to compete or from Outbreak to Hydra?

Right now it looks like you are trying to facilitate the rules around RvB's command structure in order to make sure they don't break rule number 5. It seems to me that RvB's command structure is the problem of RvB and not of the rules which should be universal and apply to everybody equally in a competitive environment.

Why exactly is it that RvB could not simply either enter Red or Blue and get the pilots they want to fly in the AT into the correct alliance before May 5th. Had they done this then neither rule 3 or 4 would have needed 'bending' and rule 5 wouldn't have been relevant at all. Now it looks suspiciously much like CCP is trying to cater to RvB's specific needs while there should have been no need for that all.


The May 5th rule still applies we're just viewing them both as a single entity? Even if they switched internally the May 5th rule still applies.


So if you went from Red to Blue on May 6th you're not eligible to compete?

Also I'd much appreciate an answer to my last paragraph, why this and not just limiting it to either entering red or blue?


Yes if you moved from red to blue on May 6th you cannot compete as would have been the case were we to allow them to compete individually so absolutely nothing has changed. I believe I've just answered that last paragraph twice but maybe I'm not the swiftest boat in the channel so could you try rephrasing it if I haven't?

:edit: Ok I might get it. The "No B-Teams" rule is new this year. That means we've had to adjust it a bit as we've worked through what a B-team is (It's not always obvious) and how we've seen the need to apply the rule. We told RVB they were ok earlier on because of their past participation, but after applying the rule in other places realized that we hadn't applied it properly to them in retrospect. In order to be fair to them this is the workaround.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#49 - 2012-05-23 16:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Loxy
Clolo wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
How many alliances did you had to take part in the random draw in total ?


77.



Do you have to have participated in the "random draw" to be eligible to bid in the auction?


Edit from CCP Loxy: You do not need to have been in the random draw to take part in the auction, but if you have not been in the random draw you can only bid using your alliance executor.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Clolo
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-05-23 16:14:51 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Clolo wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
How many alliances did you had to take part in the random draw in total ?


77.



Do you have to have participated in the "random draw" to be eligible to bid in the auction?


The random draw took place after the deadline for your alliance to "apply" so yes.


Great news, thanks!
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#51 - 2012-05-23 16:15:42 UTC
I feel both Red Federation and Blue Republic should be allowed to have separate teams participate. I don't think that the intention behind the rules was ever to prevent to groups of people that have close ties from competing against each other, but instead to prevent them from colluding with each other outside the spirit of the tournament.

The presence of referees accounts for the second possibility anyway since their job is to monitor and react to any group that tries to work with another to manipulate results in their favour.

tl;dr Let them have their teams.

.
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#52 - 2012-05-23 16:20:30 UTC
Thank you Sreegs , I missed the edit before hence my re-asking the same question. No that explains it all quite satisfactory now.

Though my personal opinion is that rules should be designed and applied universally and not to combat specific cases of meta-gaming only to then be made an exception on because of somebodies good behaviour in the past.

For the record; I quite like RvB and what they do in game, but clarity is a good thing hence my poking.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-05-23 16:29:34 UTC
RvB should have had an internal tourney to see who gets to go to the Eve Tourney. But since they were given the OK weeks ago by CCP that they could have separate entries, CCP should honor that.
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#54 - 2012-05-23 16:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Faffywaffy
Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.
Raivi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-05-23 16:49:27 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.


As far as I know there has not been any official annoucnement on the status of Hydra and Outbreak. I'd wait until CCP announces their decision before drawing conclusions.
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#56 - 2012-05-23 16:52:28 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.


Shouldn't you be busy running level 4s so you can afford the auction m8?

.
Raivi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-23 17:01:51 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Faffywaffy wrote:
Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.


Shouldn't you be busy running level 4s so you can afford the auction m8?


Be nice Duncan. At least he only needs to win the auction for half as many teams as you do. ;)
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#58 - 2012-05-23 17:32:00 UTC
Raivi wrote:
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Faffywaffy wrote:
Funny. RvB (who played fairly last year) are allowed to only field one team while Outbreak and Hydra (who went as far EULA violations to win) can field two.


Shouldn't you be busy running level 4s so you can afford the auction m8?


Be nice Duncan. At least he only needs to win the auction for half as many teams as you do. ;)


Actually, thanks to the new rules Hydra only has to worry about winning half as many matches this year. o7 2 u

.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#59 - 2012-05-23 17:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Desert Ice78
Screw all that ^

FIRST!!!!! Big smileP

Prepare to be schooled PL!!!

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-05-23 17:33:05 UTC
I'm impregnated with excitement over the fact that Dystopia will be in ATX.

Who wants to help me father this sensation?

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]