Intergalactic Summit

And what is the relevance of that? I've already flat out stated that coming down to Delve is risky.

*shrugs*

I was hoping you'd prove me wrong about something perhaps. But anyway, the offer is there, please think about it.

After looking this thread over, all I can conclude is that Jade is a better at trolling comms channels than Goonswarm.

I'm willing to admit this is a feat of some skill.

Speak for yourself Jason Galente. Over the course of this thread:

I have accepted the dignified ceasefire request of a respected foe
Corrected the revisionist unhistory of a meddling forum clown
Clarified the reasoning behind an ancillary snap wardec against existing -10
Discussed matters Freespace and Risk wth a representative of goonswarm
Posed a trust excercise with the same which will be interesting discover accepted or no

All matters of communication clear and distinct.

Whereas you have simply +1'ed a throwaway comment with no real substance.
If you wish to speak of gross waste of time one might rightly consider the effort somebody once expended to put you through pilot training.

I have been following this thread with interest. As a freshly licensed capsuleer in New Eden I have yet to form many contacts however I am familiar with an ex Star Fraction member, who in fairness will speak no ill of them even if he is a bit misguided!

From my limited knowledge of SF and the change in tone I noticed from Jade Constantine during this dialogue I have the sneaking suspicion that the Fraction are actually quite interested in the Goonswarm proposition. It might just be what is required to re-invigorate them.

However the issue is that of trust and reputation....

Why not use a trusted intermediary agreed by both parties such as Chribba for example.

The Goons could deposit 30 billion with Chribba for a 3 month period. During that time if docking rights are removed etc then the monies can be paid out. If not the monies are returned.

3 months should be a reasonable amount of time for the Star Fraction to assess the situation and if the ongoing risk is worth the reward....

Dear Jade Constantine,

One thing that was never addressed, is what exactly did this alliance do to deserve this?

I hate to even infer this Jade, but without some kind of synopsis of what happened, how are the rest of us to know The Star Fraction are not an alliance full of extortionists?

Without the story of what happened, all this does is show that this alliance will yield to any aggressive entity in our universe, making then a prime target. Did you both fight well? Or did they maintain docked, only to get steamrolled?
My brother had this happen to him, in his corp, it was so bad that the corp filed for bankruptcy, laying everyone off.

The political (or anti-political, if you prefer) tendencies of Star Fraction have always been simply fascinating to me.

I've watched this group quietly for a long time, since before I could even step into the capsule.

For all of you scoffing and throwing your typical slew of insults at Jade Constantine, stop. Even anarchists, terrorists, madwomen, and lunatics... whatever you choose to call her... even they hold a lesson to learn. So stop, listen, and learn something from Jade.

...

For the record, I speak on behalf of myself in this comment, not on behalf of the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive.

Dear Miss “anything”

As my esteemed comrade has mentioned I’m currently planet-side without reliable access to fluidcom router technology so please don’t be offended if I am unable to involve myself in a sustained galnet debate on the issues you raise.

That said I hope I can clarify your misunderstanding and answer all concerns you have in one swoop.

As for what Trinova did to deserve being shot at by the Star Fraction in the first place the answer is quite straightforward. At one time Trinova was petitioning for residency in CVA-controlled Providence and was directed to use the CVA red list to choose their targets. This led to Trinova engaging Star Fraction vessels as we waged our war of liberation against the Slavers and their puppets in that benighted region. This is how Trinova came to be set red to the Star Fraction.

Of course we had no direct contact with Trinova for over a year after the fall of CVA Providence but the red standing remained because nobody in Trinova contacted us to suggest its revocation through renewed respectful diplomacy.

Then a couple of months ago some of our pilots noticed Red flagged pilots occupying the “loops” lowsec cluster adjacent to Aidart system. Said pilots (Trinova) declared their hostility by their actions and attempted to engage our pilots going about their business in the lowsec area.

So the simple answer to your initial question is – they fired on vessels of the Star Fraction firstly in the service of the slavers of providence and secondly in lowsec Placid: it has been the longstanding policy of the Fraction that we reserve the right to wardec any entity which has earned red standings through aggression (or affiliation with red organization through alliance or militia) without warning.

To your notion that some kind of extortion was at play here I refute that charge completely. While it is true we suffered material loss from the initial aggression from Trinova at no point in negotiations have we asked more from Trinova than a simple apology and pledge to respect our rights of travel and mutual coexistence. (Now you could certainly claim that we "extorted" the apology and pledge on threat of further war but surely you stretch the definition to a ridiculous extreme that if taken literally would mean any peace negotiation would be classed as extortion unless no terms were sought of any kind).

The plain matter is that when an organization chooses to aggress the pilots of the Star Fraction and earn a negative standing for their deeds they are signalling their acceptance of future consequences without limit on duration or geography.

I believe it is rather silly to expect a time limit on the consequences for aggression. Why should that be? It is the mission and guiding principle of the Fraction that actions have consequences and attacks on NRDS freespacers will be punished at a time and place of our convenience. If one wishes never to face the threat of violence from the Fraction all one needs to do is ensure neutrality is respected and random hostility is avoided.

Now, there is a coda to this particular story which will bare telling and it involves a strange convention of the “loops” area where we discovered particular pirate alliances were charging rent over lowsec and forcing their renters to “police and camp” the gates shooting on all neutral traffic as part of their residency agreements.

I think you will agree with us miss “anything” that there are few things in the universe more ridiculous than the notion of charging “rent” for lowsec access and forcing one’s renters to shoot all free traffic is a deeply regressive deed to be discouraged by all fair-minded sovereign individual pilots of the cluster!

Trinova (as is clear from the op) are no longer party to this practise and met our terms for the end of hostilities and resolution of past diplomatic grievance.

We consider this a wholly positive outcome for ourselves and indeed for neutral commercial traffic in the Placid region.

It seems that in my two week absence from the forums, I forgot about this thread. My sincere apologies. Would we care to resume the discussion, in light of events that have occurred over the past month or so of Operation Freeport?

Good ol Jade.

When proven wrong, she will never fail to double down.

*shakes head and disconnects*