Warfare & Tactics

Have to disagree with this, if that what was intended then minnie and gals would be "purple" via game mechanics, Which they are not.

I have always treated caldari as blues and have received the same treatment back.

Yes mistakes are made due to the fact that ccp has never it deemed it important to make it clear who is in your allied militia. But other than mistakes due to ccps bad overview mechanics I never had an issue.

Let's summarise what this thread is really about here;

Keeping your word.

Technically, Tekitha is right; there was no blue on blue shooting. I understand SOTFs view which is that they need WBR as an ally since they do joint ops together. For WBR to lose their home would result in a setback in their continual joint ops be that in lowsec or nullsec.

But I also understand LNA's grievances as well. Because having blue standings means more than just avoiding shooting each other. It also means NOT hurting each other. So when the guardians came to rep WBR, they also ended up hurting the Minmatar and their war efforts on the Amarr. So there was no blue on blue shooting but really, it may as well been because it sure felt like it to the Minnies. If you are a minmatar corp with no standings whatsoever to SOTF, you have no grievance because there is no relationship to begin with. If, however, you're LNA and have standings, there are grievances.


Of course, now the other Gallente corps are infuriated because you also damage their reputation as well and make it look like all of Gallente are traitors and cannot be relied upon. This obviously isn't true but public relations plays a huge role in all of this.

Establishing standings with each other is alot like establishing a relationship especially in the early stages. While you may not be promising the world to each other, you are promising the most basics of a relationship that you should adhere to; respecting each other. What SOTF did was respectful of WBR but disrespectful to the said Minnie alliances and quite frankly, some of the Gallente corps as well. SOTF was damed if they do and damned if they don't. So they had to make a decision and stick with it. And they have to deal with the consequences of it as well. One of which is the perception that leadership cannot be trusted to keep their word.

At the end of the day, SOTF made a concious decision that being allied with WBR is more important than anything or anyone else. Those reading this should take careful not of that regardless of which faction you are in and behave accordingly to them.

Interestingly, I can see why WBR has developed the reputation they have with the Caldari and why guys like Chair, Mutnin, Damar and Snake disliked them. They are now showing their true colors to the Amarr as well.

Ok I see what you did there, point taken

You are not listening.

Half the minmatars have us set -10 and such kos?

Why the hell would we want to assist them?

I think everybody in here (not in SoTF) pretty much agrees with your thesis on blue standings. I have one exception here in that doing what they did was not disrespectful to Gallente corps. SoTF's actions are a reflection on them, the corporations and pilots in their alliance, and nothing more. They made a conscious decision going into their engagement and my guess is that they are willing to live with the drama that ensues.

always

I would never have expected SOTF to actively fight a militia sov war that was contrary to the Gallente Federation's mandate (which includes attacking Amarr plexes, we go in there the button runs against the Minmatar and we get rewarded for it). That is what surprises me.

Yes, but they were not actively engaged in an operation against the sovereign space of the Gallente Federation or its allies. I consider this action on a separate level. Obviously, I was wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that I didn't think they would do it.

Bros before hoes.
Deal it with it.
Also if you're under the assumption that Gallente and Minnies shouldn't shoot each other purely because of RP reasons then I'm more than happy to shoot you back :) and please if you're so mad about this let your actions speak for themselves, Castle Grayskull awaits.