Intergalactic Summit

I must be doing something wrong somewhere. Apparently people do not understand what I try to say, or often see something else in my messages.

I never said this was a "normal" situation. Or maybe it is, in the sense that it has been happening for decades now. It was just my way to put the emphasis on that particular subject you raised, nothing more.



Could you be a little more specific on who are the representatives of these two parties, if I may ask ?



I give up. I do not understand why you keep avoiding the issue or redirect the discussion on something else.

I thought it was clear the first time, had my doubts after considering your answer, then tried again to explain, and now, all I see is.. I do not know what exactly. A refusal ? Or a genuine misunderstanding ?

For clarification, the slavery as practiced in those factions differ on very many points is what I meant, not that those factions differ on very many point besides slavery...

I do not think that you can call any of these group's slavery "nicer" than the others.

The condition of the slaves do not differ much at all. In every group, there are slave owners who treat their slaves well and slave owners who treat them abysmally bad. There is to my knowledge no evidence that any one group would have more of the "nicer" slavers than the other. The best the Amarr do for their slaves is to note that they are "an expensive commodity and should not be wasted," while stressing that they would most certainly not interfere with how their Holders treat their slaves.

As for the purpose of the slavery - whether brainwashing and cheap labor is a "nicer" purpose than solely cheap labor is, I guess, a matter of personal opinion. If I had to decide between just these options, I know I would go for the latter.

That's not what happened at all.

Anyone with a head on their shoulders plans on how they will make their next move. A simple...

"Master, I would like to leave now that I'm free but just to keep stability I would like to stay on and earn fare to get home to my own people. This will allow you time to find someone to take my place and prevent me from having nowhere to go."

No one in their right mind just leaps and expects the world to catch them.

Also if may underline a very important point.

Amarr don't enslave because they have evil intent or greedy or don't want to pay people. We enslave because its part of our faith. There is no malice or hard feelings or ill will. The entire point this thread exist is to high light the point that the Matari have so envisioned us and demonized us as fat holders sitting behind a desk, counting coins, cackling evilly.

When I train a slave I catch myself picturing meeting this person in paradise after all the hard work they did. There is no smug belief I'm better, smarter, more deserving then the slave before me. I'm humbled by the process because I need them as much as they need me. I'm reminded how I can't live in life alone and be where I am without others to serve me and they need my knowledge of the truth.

So stop please stop. Yes there is abusive holders out there but not many. We honestly believe its for the lesser races own good however, her majisty in her wisdom has foreseen an age where slavery is not needed. This being said as you can witness the movement to phase out slavery has started.

The question is when all is said and done can you honest to God and man look me in the eye and tell me you don't hate me?

If not then Lord Merdaneth was quite right in his opening statement.

We understand this. But we honestly disagree with you. So, either you stop, or we will be in a conflict until one side perishes. Which is bad for both of our people.

I do not hate the Amarr. If I hate something, it is what the Amarr are doing. There is a difference.

No it underlines that those who brake the law must be brought to justice.

As I mentioned before you can't take the small bad and hold it in the light and say 'See the entire is evil.' Corrupted hearts will do evil with Good things. A knife is a tool, sometimes it cuts its user other time God forbid its used as a weapon. This doesn't make the knife bad, it makes those who wield it all the more careful that doesn't happen.

Bring the names of an abusive holder to me if you have them and I will see justice done.



As mentioned the Empress has started the ball rolling for the end of Slavery in Amarr. It won't happen overnight, so till then the response to this is yours and your peoples.

Do you help us end slavery or will there be attacked, terrorism, war slowing down the project and hardening the hearts of those who would have in time heeded Her Highness's wishes?

I don't think I will forget you said that.

Oh absolutely! And publicize the prosecution of abusive slave-holders to boot! Do you realize how many moderate or liberal Matari would applaud such publicized action? That, along with the Empress's declaration of an end to the era of slavery, would surely signal the beginnings of a modern Empire that the Republic would be willing to be at peace with. That or I'm employing overly wishful thinking again.


A reasonable enough viewpoint. The same process of seeing the small bad and proclaiming "All is evil" is quite common in rhetoric and debate and has been applied to just about every subject of controversy in the cluster. Perhaps it's time to change that...


I can only hope my ranting here will be seen by or trickled into the Imperial government to expedite things. I typically do not make it practice to proactively raid the Empire, but rather beat back any who raid the Republic.

If the Empress is earnestly trying to end slavery in the Empire, then long live the Empress.

I think that slavery isn't really the issue with Matari culture, I think it is more that they have the cultural maturity of ungrateful teenagers. What I mean by this, is that they seem to have some cultural significance to challenging authority. There are even groups that do not acknowledge the Republic as their legitimate governing body, because they want to be "cool rebels" who practice piracy and violence because they are too cool for rules.

This is what happens when you try to form some sort of culture without a real central figurehead that loyalty is placed in. This is why tribalism is inherently dangerous as well, it doesn't really create solidarity, the only reason why there is even the illusion of solidarity is because they feel they have a common enemy, the Amarr. If the Empire destroyed all the stargates to Republic space, they would quickly turn on each other, out of their wanton disregard for centralized authority. Even now, it is likely the heavy investment of time and energy that the Federation has put in that prevents this from happening as is.

The Matari culture is one of doing what you want and doing what is best for the tribe/family, therefore it isn't that hatred of the Amarr is ingrained into their culture per se, merely that without a common enemy there wouldn't be a "unified" people at all. I get the feeling that the Minmatar just don't have the level of cultural maturity to exist without a common enemy. The Amarr, inspired by the love and benevolence of their faith, just continue to keep trying to save the Minmatar and keep getting frustrated by them. This isn't hatred either though, more frustration and I daresay perhaps outdated tactics to save people from themselves.

And Yes, I realize the irony of my race as I say this, but I am not on the Matari side, and Ava Starfire told me I wasn't Minmatar, so I guess I am not, I guess that means I don't have a race.