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Data Core Changes.. Solo Player.
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Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2012-05-21 19:43:14 UTC
I'm interested to know what is wrong with Data Cores to have them changed?

I'm a solo player and I just invested a good amount of time grinidng standings and getting 4 level 4 research agents so I could try some invention. This was a major time sink for me to pull this off and there isn't much to help you get it setup. Now a few months later I find out that all this time I invested is now crap.

So am I to understand now that all that time I wasted the research point I was planing to do invention for is beint taken away and given to faction warfare?

Is there any CSM to coment on this change? Honestly if there is going to be data core changes there should be faction data cores to help build faction items intead of taking t2 invention away from us solo players. Come on! Really what is wrong with the current system? A player has to invest alot of time to be able to access the RP so whats wrong with it? You are paying for a subscription while your gaining RP so your not getting anything for free here?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#2 - 2012-05-21 19:54:15 UTC
If Test Server is accurate, ignore the hype.

10K ISK to have your RP converted to datacores won't make any difference. That's the current tax they have for it.

Adding them to FW is DOA because the LP is better spent on ships.
Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-05-21 19:56:17 UTC
Ocih wrote:
If Test Server is accurate, ignore the hype.

10K ISK to have your RP converted to datacores won't make any difference. That's the current tax they have for it.

Adding them to FW is DOA because the LP is better spent on ships.


I agree with better spent LP, or ammo and implants.

But what about the Research points per day? So you get less RP per day and it cost twice as much for datacores. I don't mind a little tax.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-05-21 19:56:32 UTC
Passive income sources do not belong in Eve. You have to actually work for continuing success.

Also lookit me, I'm part of a small corp and I'm posting with my main. Surely I will be killed 10 times by tomorrow.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#5 - 2012-05-21 19:59:54 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Passive income sources do not belong in Eve. You have to actually work for continuing success.

Also lookit me, I'm part of a small corp and I'm posting with my main. Surely I will be killed 10 times by tomorrow.

Because we care about people wailing at CCP.

Heh, I mean everyone loves some passive income.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2012-05-21 20:07:04 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Passive income sources do not belong in Eve. You have to actually work for continuing success.

Also lookit me, I'm part of a small corp and I'm posting with my main. Surely I will be killed 10 times by tomorrow.



I think of Data Cores like Cell phones, it takes time to create them and it's passive income onces your sources is setup. If more cell phone companies are in business thats less profit for you. What about comcast or verizon, onces everything you worked so hard for is setup you get to charge a small subscription fee for very little work.

I don't see comcast at my house everyday running a mission from me to receive my monthly money.

Plus your data cores are meaning less unless they are turned into something useful anyway,

So besides people being upset that data cores are not like missions or incursions what is the real problem?
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#7 - 2012-05-21 20:09:23 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Ocih wrote:
If Test Server is accurate, ignore the hype.

10K ISK to have your RP converted to datacores won't make any difference. That's the current tax they have for it.

Adding them to FW is DOA because the LP is better spent on ships.


I agree with better spent LP, or ammo and implants.

But what about the Research points per day? So you get less RP per day and it cost twice as much for datacores. I don't mind a little tax.


Test server won't really allow us to project that change.
All datacores cost 100 RP there. It isn't a state of change, it's a flat line used on Test server. Even datacores that cost 150 RP cost 100 on test and I saw no change in the RP daily.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#8 - 2012-05-21 20:10:40 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
So besides people being upset that data cores are not like missions or incursions what is the real problem?

You not posting with your main.

Also, who cares. Income is getting nerfed all over, you're certainly not some special snowflake because you trained for a long time.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-05-21 20:13:57 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Lady PimpStar wrote:
So besides people being upset that data cores are not like missions or incursions what is the real problem?

You not posting with your main.

Also, who cares. Income is getting nerfed all over, you're certainly not some special snowflake because you trained for a long time.



I'm sure I"m one of thosands of voices.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#10 - 2012-05-21 20:15:49 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
I'm sure I"m one of thosands of voices.

Voices around here tend to cry loudly and then be suddenly silenced. The number is also sometimes artificially inflated by forum alts.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Lady PimpStar
Storm Chasers.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2012-05-21 20:19:22 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Lady PimpStar wrote:
I'm sure I"m one of thosands of voices.

Voices around here tend to cry loudly and then be suddenly silenced. The number is also sometimes artificially inflated by forum alts.


Stay on topic, Maybe you should post about CCP allows 2 alts in your own form thread.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-05-21 20:20:20 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Passive income sources do not belong in Eve. You have to actually work for continuing success.

Also lookit me, I'm part of a small corp and I'm posting with my main. Surely I will be killed 10 times by tomorrow.



I think of Data Cores like Cell phones, it takes time to create them and it's passive income onces your sources is setup. If more cell phone companies are in business thats less profit for you. What about comcast or verizon, onces everything you worked so hard for is setup you get to charge a small subscription fee for very little work.

I don't see comcast at my house everyday running a mission from me to receive my monthly money.

Plus your data cores are meaning less unless they are turned into something useful anyway,

So besides people being upset that data cores are not like missions or incursions what is the real problem?

I'm sure Comcast just sit on their asses all day and just passively earn money. No support, no maintenance, no upgrades, no management. All of their thousands of employees get paid every month for having set up some towers years ago, and nowadays they just play solitaire all day.

Income over time without continued effort is a bad idea and shouldn't exist.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#13 - 2012-05-21 20:23:34 UTC
This one forum alt trying to keep up with the barrage of people enjoying the "passive income nerfed" tears, whine, cheese, whatever

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#14 - 2012-05-21 20:24:02 UTC
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Stay on topic, Maybe you should post about CCP allows 2 alts in your own form thread.

Type slower. Chew your words.

The problem here is that you think you are somehow special compared to the rest of us. In order to prove this fact, you must unsub all your accounts in protest and make it perfectly clear to CCP in the exit interview webform why you are doing so. Check back every few months and see if CCP has reversed their changes. You'll find out pretty quickly just how important your bleating is.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2012-05-21 20:26:04 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Lady PimpStar wrote:
Stay on topic, Maybe you should post about CCP allows 2 alts in your own form thread.

Type slower. Chew your words.

The problem here is that you think you are somehow special compared to the rest of us. In order to prove this fact, you must unsub all your accounts in protest and make it perfectly clear to CCP in the exit interview webform why you are doing so. Check back every few months and see if CCP has reversed their changes. You'll find out pretty quickly just how important your bleating is.

Hey hey, let's not be like a certain person who wanted people to unsub (or shoot statues) because their POS got shot at...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#16 - 2012-05-21 20:28:41 UTC
Im kinda curious...
To make money from Datacores you have to get them then take them somewhere to then sell to someone else, correct?

Kinda like how the PI stuff gathers but you have to collect it and bring it to a hub/market/w/e to then sell it?

How is that passive income? Wouldnt true passive income be like if instead of getting items/fuel from the PI buildings they randomly ticked an amount of ISK directly into your wallet?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#17 - 2012-05-21 20:33:36 UTC
This thread is so good, I've lost a Garde II and a Garde I to posting in it when waves spawned. Good job!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#18 - 2012-05-21 20:47:41 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
This thread is so good, I've lost a Garde II and a Garde I to posting in it when waves spawned. Good job!

~Elite forum PvE~

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-05-21 20:49:08 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Im kinda curious...
To make money from Datacores you have to get them then take them somewhere to then sell to someone else, correct?

Kinda like how the PI stuff gathers but you have to collect it and bring it to a hub/market/w/e to then sell it?

How is that passive income? Wouldnt true passive income be like if instead of getting items/fuel from the PI buildings they randomly ticked an amount of ISK directly into your wallet?

PI is not done at your leisure, when you feel like it once a month. You will make very little isk that way. To make real profit, it requires a lot of planning, maintenance every few days, and most importantly, ACTUALLY UNDOCKING.

Ergo, no, not passive.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#20 - 2012-05-21 21:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
Someone put in the time and effort but it wasn't me therefore CCP must remove the fruits of their labour from them.

Seems reasonable.



also applies here

Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Im kinda curious...
To make money from Datacores you have to get them then take them somewhere to then sell to someone else, correct?

Kinda like how the PI stuff gathers but you have to collect it and bring it to a hub/market/w/e to then sell it?

How is that passive income? Wouldnt true passive income be like if instead of getting items/fuel from the PI buildings they randomly ticked an amount of ISK directly into your wallet?

PI is not done at your leisure, when you feel like it once a month. You will make very little isk that way. To make real profit, it requires a lot of planning, maintenance every few days, and most importantly, ACTUALLY UNDOCKING.

Ergo, no, not passive.


ugh... I never said it was

read it again

I was comparing data cores to PI and then asking "HOW is that passive?"

IE saying its not

then going on to ask if passive Isk wouldnt actually be:
"instead of getting items/fuel from the PI buildings they randomly ticked an amount of ISK directly into your wallet?"

Man ppl need reading comprehension here

Not just knee jerk reacting "PI = passive?? OMG I MUST POAST"






Sorry for overreacting, it just bugs the **** out of me

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

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