EVE General Discussion

Any particular reason that reckless offensive behavior is encouraged over caring about your own space? I would have thought that defense would have an "advantage", especially when they need to uphold the system upgrades that they purchased with their precious LP.

Anyone know what the reasoning is behind this apparently needless complication? Was it for some balance reason that I just can't think of right now, or just one of those things to make Eve harder to explain to newbies?

Defensive plexing is its own reward (you get to keep your system upgrades)

Also, its easier and you have the npc's on your side.

Plus of course encourging "reckless aggressive behaviour" is kinda what game design is about.

Yeah, you get the incentive to earn LP by killing the attackers. Make more people PVP!! :D

You get LP for killing the people defending, too. And honestly, the attackers usually have the upper hand, since they know exactly where the defender is going to warp into the plex.

Ed: your argument also doesn't work unless the attackers are using battleships, or T2/faction frigates/cruisers. There are a lot of T1 frigates, destroyers, and cruisers romping about FW space. There isn't really any LP incentive to kill a 1 mil ISK Rifter.

I don't follow. If I go into Anka in my Rifter or my Cormorant and start running minor sites, why would anyone shoot me or try to close the sites when they can just go to Hofjalgund and run their own sites?

I want fights, and am concerned that when attacking is encouraged over defending, all that will result in is attackers missing each other and complaining about the lack of PvP. I don't see how this is about being a "FW Carebear".

If you're talking about the killmails themselves being a motivation, that is a valid point. That is actually what motivates me. However, I am trying to think broader. If the "SHINY KILLMAILS" isn't motivating the Amarr enough to defend their space properly, what exactly will make them defend better after Inferno?

Well, it's not encouraging blobbing, because having too many people reduces the reward too much, so it's encouraging the defender to use gimmicky ships to counter a few specific attacker ships. This is only realistically possible if you had the ship pre-prepared, or were basing out of the same system. It's still a lot of effort compared to just slapping on a crappy fit and heading out to run a minor plex.

Keep in mind that 10k LP is what a 100 mil ISK solo kill pays out. Would you attack a T2-fit BC solo for a possible 10k LP payout (probably needing an equally expensive ship of your own), or go run a minor plex in a Thrasher for the same payout? You pointed out risk/reward. I'm pointing out that as is, it's broken.


In 0.0 you have a ton of benefits to owning a system, ranging from system upgrades that actually make sense and are useful, to stations, to jump bridges, cyno jammers, e-peen, and other things.



I expect FW to downgrade to smaller/cheaper ships, or to Tengus farming major sites over and over.

FW are the new L4 missions? Or incusions maybe, though if you can solo some of the sites, more like anom ratting.

I don't think ccp minds if no one ever does defensive plexing. Systems will just continue to flip or be close to flipping. Then the side that is on the defensive will have the abiltiy to make a quick attack and try to flip a system.

I don't do it in a Tengu, but in a Purifier, and even then not very often. At a leisurely pace, 100k LP per hour is a decent payout. At the mediocre LP to ISK conversion rate of 1000 ISK/LP, that is 100 mil ISK/hr. Tengus run the missions at least as fast as the bombers, and they don't need auxiliary support (a sig-tanking T1 frigate alt/friend) to complete some of the tougher missions. You can make stupid amounts of money that way.