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HAM drake for C1?
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BoobsALOTT
Caldari Solutions
#1 - 2012-05-21 04:55:46 UTC
Like the title says. It's mostly frigates, so would a HAM drake work?
Sum Olgy
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-21 07:04:54 UTC
No. You *will* kill stuff but not very quickly. Which will mean you're much more likely to get ganked.

The important thing for C1's in a Drake is to not be over tanked - you want *just* enough tank to cope and put everything else into gank modules so it goes quickly. The cookie cutter Lvl4 Drake fit is way way way over tanked....

Are you salvaging as you go or do you have another salvage ship/alt/buddy to do that?
Sp0ki3
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-21 08:18:26 UTC
In my experience heavy missles with caldari navy missles for cruisers and frigs and fury for the bses works much better than hams. Might look like higher dps on the hams in eft but they suck vs small targets and c1 has alot of small targets so the actual dps is better with heavys. Also you have enough range to engage everything right from the start with heavys.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#4 - 2012-05-21 12:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
For a c1 I'm not even sure you need tank on a drake - probably something like this would work fine:

[Drake, C1 Drake]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Aslong as you've got reasonable skills you should be killing them long before you run out of buffer and theres not really much in the way of scrams to worry about.

EDIT: And if you've got a spare ganglink char chuck in the interdiction manouvers, electronic superiority and shield harmonising links for more efficent running.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-21 15:43:02 UTC
C1 sites are all Frigs and cruisers. You can actually run them faster in a turret ship that can pop frigs than a Drake.

I ran C1 sites in a drake like this:

[Drake, C1]

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[Empty High slot]

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Stasis Webifier II
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
BoobsALOTT
Caldari Solutions
#6 - 2012-05-21 17:30:10 UTC
Thanks for the feedback guys! I can also fly a cerberus and tengu. Any of t he above better for ac1
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-21 17:34:48 UTC
BoobsALOTT wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys! I can also fly a cerberus and tengu. Any of t he above better for ac1


Tengu in a C1 is a pretty bad isk risk/reward ratio given the average c1 site payout.

No idea on a Cerb vs drake. I'd imagine its also going to be more isk for not that much gain.
Leetha Layne
#8 - 2012-05-21 18:28:05 UTC
You COULD do it but why?
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#9 - 2012-05-21 19:55:12 UTC
Tengu's for C1 NPC's is probably a bad idea. I speak from experience when a cloaky Prot had me scrammed and webbed. Then called his pals waiting at the internal and then they went on to do very unpleasant things to my ship....many are undescribable and give me the shakes. Reavers come to mind. It helps to think that someone is always watching and waiting to get you. If the reward is a juicy Tengu everyone wants in...Drakes...Meh...not so much. Not to mention you can buy many drakes to that 1 tengu. WH killers all want to shoot Shiny stuffs!

So drake is the best for the Risk of Loss vs your ISK making potential...in a C1.
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-22 19:24:53 UTC
You might give a blaster fit Ferox a try.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-22 23:57:42 UTC
in my experience, a passive shield mwd AC cane actually beats a drake in C1 anoms. if that is not an option, at least use rigor rigs and a web. ~150 omnitank is about as much as you need to chill in a C1, rest should go into dps.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-05-23 02:17:59 UTC
HMLs much better

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Hoshimura Makina
Eaters Of The Worlds
#13 - 2012-05-24 08:45:16 UTC
Rroff wrote:
For a c1 I'm not even sure you need tank on a drake - probably something like this would work fine:
[Drake, C1 Drake]
...
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
...
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
...

Shocked
Precision + Flare
or
Fury + Rigor
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#14 - 2012-05-24 14:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Hoshimura Makina wrote:
Rroff wrote:
For a c1 I'm not even sure you need tank on a drake - probably something like this would work fine:
[Drake, C1 Drake]
...
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
...
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
...

Shocked
Precision + Flare
or
Fury + Rigor


I had a play in EFT and across the vast majority of scenarios those rigs + precisions produced the best results overall against sleepless frigs and cruisers - check for yourself :P (regardless of what the conventional wisdom may or may not be regarding missiles/rigs).
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-24 14:30:48 UTC
precision is indeed a waste of money. use faction or if you are poor standard missiles.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#16 - 2012-05-24 14:35:11 UTC
I can rarely be bothered to change to precisions anyhow heh tho it is more efficent timewise to use them from my experience and in a C1 you'd have less need for high damage ammo - no idea on the cost effectiveness of it over other ammo types.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-24 14:56:20 UTC
Rroff wrote:
I can rarely be bothered to change to precisions anyhow heh tho it is more efficent timewise to use them from my experience and in a C1 you'd have less need for high damage ammo - no idea on the cost effectiveness of it over other ammo types.

last time i checked precisions did LESS damage than regular scourge against a 40m sig orbiting at 250m/s, at least with my skills and rigs. feel free to EFT for yourself and report the results though.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-24 15:08:51 UTC
I ran in a C1 for about 6 months. I ended up just using standard scourge for everything. For a C1 no other ammo seemed to do enough better to justify the higher cost.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#19 - 2012-05-24 15:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Daniel Plain wrote:
Rroff wrote:
I can rarely be bothered to change to precisions anyhow heh tho it is more efficent timewise to use them from my experience and in a C1 you'd have less need for high damage ammo - no idea on the cost effectiveness of it over other ammo types.

last time i checked precisions did LESS damage than regular scourge against a 40m sig orbiting at 250m/s, at least with my skills and rigs. feel free to EFT for yourself and report the results though.


According to EFT - 224dps with rigors + precisions, 218 with flare + precisions, 209 with flare + regular scourge, 215 with rigors + regular scourge, T2 scourge is less than regular with either rigs.

Given the relative cost of precisions v t1 scourge and the fairly slim dps difference it probably doesn't make huge odds looking at those numbers which you use aslong as you don't use T2 high damage scourge as that drops the dps off by about 20% compared to any other setup.

These figures go up by almost 50% when a frig is in web-range so some long range web assistance would not go amiss.
Hoshimura Makina
Eaters Of The Worlds
#20 - 2012-05-25 09:23:02 UTC
and ~250 w rigor + fury
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