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AFK Cloaking in System is a Terrible Mechanic

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#61 - 2012-05-20 15:15:24 UTC
posting in AFK cloak thread number 6596
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-05-20 15:20:12 UTC
I love these threads. Goes to show the hypocrisy of the players that whine about Empire needing more risk for the rewards and how players should be "forced" into nulsec. If you quiver in a POS when a single ship is sitting in the same system doing nothing, don't talk to me about risks.
Dawn Flare
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-05-20 15:23:20 UTC
Savage Angel wrote:
I love these threads. Goes to show the hypocrisy of the players that whine about Empire needing more risk for the rewards and how players should be "forced" into nulsec. If you quiver in a POS when a single ship is sitting in the same system doing nothing, don't talk to me about risks.

Because having to seek refuge is not indicative of risk Roll
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2012-05-20 15:31:55 UTC
Dawn Flare wrote:
Savage Angel wrote:
I love these threads. Goes to show the hypocrisy of the players that whine about Empire needing more risk for the rewards and how players should be "forced" into nulsec. If you quiver in a POS when a single ship is sitting in the same system doing nothing, don't talk to me about risks.

Because having to seek refuge is not indicative of risk Roll


Guess you only got half the point. If they are so scared of a single ship, their normal time must be essentially risk-free, or they would just handle the risk that it represented.
Caecilia Arene
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-05-20 15:33:35 UTC
Oh look... yet another AFK cloak thread by the 'anti AFK cloak' lobby. Yawn...

It's working as intended. If you think they're AFK but a worried they are not then go to another system. Maybe just the system next door Blink.

Dawn Flare
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-05-20 15:38:57 UTC
Savage Angel wrote:
Dawn Flare wrote:
Savage Angel wrote:
I love these threads. Goes to show the hypocrisy of the players that whine about Empire needing more risk for the rewards and how players should be "forced" into nulsec. If you quiver in a POS when a single ship is sitting in the same system doing nothing, don't talk to me about risks.

Because having to seek refuge is not indicative of risk Roll


Guess you only got half the point. If they are so scared of a single ship, their normal time must be essentially risk-free, or they would just handle the risk that it represented.

It is risk free in the short term if you are in a properly run alliance, because we take long term risks, significant investment, and a fairly high degree of teamwork between hundreds, if not thousands of people to make our empires secure.

As a result, our day to day lives are fairly risk free if we pay attention to what we are doing, since NBSI is the rule(other than CVA).

We can also be locked out of everything we own, did you know that? We don't risk 1 ship at a time, we risk EVERYTHING to have what we have taken(and yes, you do have to work to take space, and it takes months of work to secure space properly so you can have some safety in the heart of your empire).

Some people are mad because cloakies can spoil that and there is not a whole lot we can do if they just hide all day.

PS. I personally think that AFK cloaking is a valid tactic, and don't want to see it gone despite the fact that I do alot of mining type activities to support my corp.
Draydin Warsong
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-05-20 16:11:45 UTC
I am amazed at the people in this thread that have said cloakers go afk because it so boring. When I go out in my stealth bomber I afk not because I am bored...but because it is the only way to defeat the broken mechanic that is local. I have to wait 3-4 days for someone to get comfortable enough in system to continue mining/ratting etc before I can even get a kill...that is the whole point. That you cower in fear inside your outpost/POS is just a bonusTwisted. To nerf cloak mechanics without removing bombers showing up on local would be to make them entirely useless. Bombers are MEANT to be able to sneak into a system to disrupt enemy industry.

If they cant get rid of local than staying the course is the only option here.

Also...I am to lazy to go back and look up who he was earlier in this thread but I do believe I have spotted my first carebear whiner goon. Haha. Sorry I just find that amusing...like finding a four leaf clover or something...proof that they ARE really people behind the keyboards and not future aliens from Venus come back in time to take over our space pixels and troll our forums.
Lepto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-05-20 16:23:58 UTC
I don't know if this is technically possible, but it seems like a compromise would be this:

Remove an afk cloaker from local after they have been inactive for more than a set amount of time.

When an afk cloaker comes back, put them back in local and have a timer before they can do anything. People who are aware could react, but a skilled cloaker should be able to still be effective if they set up right.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
Care Factor
#69 - 2012-05-20 17:13:18 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I like cloaking, I like ganking in WHs, I like breaking gate camps, but to be able to sit afk in someones system cloaked FOR DAYS with no repercussions is just unacceptable. Make cloakers susceptible to combat probes, or really, just do SOMETHING to limit the un-interactiveness of cloak, its a fail mechanic as is. Let the flames begin ^^



I say we just give u an "Iwin" button, but I'm sure you'd still *****.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Already Replaced.
#70 - 2012-05-20 17:37:23 UTC
simple solution, anyone who cloaks gets removed from the local list.... ^_^
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-05-20 17:45:41 UTC
greeny knight wrote:
if you are a miner and you have a nice system you always mine 1 afk cloacker can ruing your game


Oh wait, I thought low and null people hated miners and did all they could to ruin their game (hulkageddon etc etc) ... sounds like double standards to me
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Lady Ghoulia
MALCONTENT5
#72 - 2012-05-20 17:47:29 UTC
this is a new and original opinion
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2012-05-20 18:04:06 UTC
The AFK cloaker.

Can't move, can't scan, can't tackle and can't shoot anything yet it can keep a system locked down for days.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#74 - 2012-05-20 18:08:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The AFK cloaker.

Can't move, can't scan, can't tackle and can't shoot anything yet it can keep a system locked down for days.


Well done, you successfully graduated from copying and pasting.

Saying it can't tackle and can't shoot is like saying that an unlaunched nuclear missile doesn't present a threat when it's aimed at your country.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#75 - 2012-05-20 18:08:52 UTC
So either you died to an afk person (I see it happen, morons who can't take gate guns attack afk on gate chars in lowsec...

Or the person is not afk...

HTFU I've seen 3 ships covering one covetor in lowsec... sounds like renting aint getting you protection.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2012-05-20 18:12:01 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The AFK cloaker.

Can't move, can't scan, can't tackle and can't shoot anything yet it can keep a system locked down for days.


Well done, you successfully graduated from copying and pasting.

Saying it can't tackle and can't shoot is like saying that an unlaunched nuclear missile doesn't present a threat when it's aimed at your country.


Well, it doesn't so long as its just sitting there in the silo.
Enquirer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-05-20 18:13:14 UTC
Time for a new ship.
The Anti cloak ship. It works with scanners but specializes in finding vessels that are cloaked.
When a ship cloaks, its cloak builds up excess energy. After awhile (set time limit here) without movement, this excess energey can be scanned. The longer a cloaked vessel is motionless And cloaked, the easier it will be to scan down.

Now what this does and doesnt do is very simply : If an afk cloaker is in system for hrs on end and not at his ship moving it occasionally, it can and will be able to be scanned down located and destroyed. What it doesnt do is make the cloak useless. The cloaker will be easily able to defeat this energy build up by simply moving his vessel now and then.

AFK cloaking is a bad game design that needs to go away. "no ones ever died from an afk cloaker" .... thats just stupid logic. You know damn well the strat behind the afk cloaker so dont play dumb.


NEW SHIP NEW SHIP NEW SHIP!!!!
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#78 - 2012-05-20 18:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
LOL AFK cloaking. Been meaning to do this myself.

I hear IRC will go and try to camp in people that gank them, it would be a good way to practice PvP "skills" while at the keyboard and just have some fun elsewhere when I'm not.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#79 - 2012-05-20 18:16:31 UTC
Enquirer wrote:


AFK cloaking is a bad game design that needs to go away. "no ones ever died from an afk cloaker" .... thats just stupid logic. You know damn well the strat behind the afk cloaker so dont play dumb.





But nobody has died to an AFK cloaker. The problem is entirely in peoples minds and it is they who make themselves cower in station.
Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#80 - 2012-05-20 18:25:03 UTC
It's not like we have to rat constantly so the corp can make taxes or mine for the next titan to be added to the supercapital fleet anyway...

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