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CSM Member Issler Dainze: A Threat To The Legitimacy of the CSM and All of Lowsec

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#21 - 2012-05-18 22:35:29 UTC
James 315 wrote:
It's very discouraging to see Issler resort to attacking the CSM and CCP, rather than taking responsibility for her own mistakes. She's lost my vote today.

Very disappointing. What?


I am saying they are not there to save us, not an attack, a call realize we have to face this on our own. Every high sec dweller needs to realize there are no magic game mechanics that can change the nature of Eve so don't expect them from CCP or the CSM.

Issler
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-05-18 22:35:46 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Serge Bastana wrote:
Is Issler even significant as a member of the CSM?

She kind of ****** up being at all relevant before the voting started.

That's how politics works.

The miner bloc is gonna flex it's muscle NOW~~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#23 - 2012-05-18 22:35:53 UTC
Hey OP, maybe you should try getting some of your buddies together to harass this person until they commit suicide.

oh, wait...

/grabbing my extra Goon tear bucket





☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#24 - 2012-05-18 22:38:07 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP won't save is, CSM won't save us, this is Eve. I'm not attacking CCP or CSM, I am saying they aren't in Eve to "save" us. That is the point of this message to my alliance, we need to not roll over and die. This message could go out to any other high sec corp or player that feels that they are under the boot heel of oppression in Eve.
Issler Dainze in the OP mail wrote:
To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken.

You seem to be griping about the CSM attacking you. Unfortunately, that's part of the game and EVE is in no way broken.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#25 - 2012-05-18 22:39:26 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Issler Dainze recently sent this missive to her alliance:

Quote:

They Cannot Win!!
From: Issler Dainze
Sent: 2012.05.17 06:57
To: The Honda Accord,

So coward blimp ego mittens hired similar coward to destroy our POSs in Illamur. To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken. CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.

So what does BEEP become during the occupation? First, we hunt these bastards! They don't take us seriously! We have ships, guns and motivation. Goons in high sec are a joke! We make that clear to them.

We help drive the tide to take Eve back.

More about that soon, but players like us are the majority and we are fed up!! Let's take out game back!! Time for the bullies to have some of that sand that always like to talk about to be kicked in their face!

So let me know what you think, where is the future for us?

Issler


In this eve-mail, we can see Issler - a CSM member, who is supposed to work with the CSM to improve the game for everyone - trying to trash the CSM in a transparent ploy to attempt to cover up her massive failures as an alliance leader.

These destroys POS were in lowsec, where as even even a three-week old newbie who accidentally autopiloted through rancer knows, can be shot at by anyone. Lowsec being an area of "low security" is, as you might guess, a fundamental part of the game. Even the most vile highsec miner bleeting to have suicide ganking removed from the game does not dare challenge that there are places in EVE where you can shoot each other: he just merely wants to be immune in highsec.

Now, as anyone knows, if you go into lowsec, you risk getting blown up. Issler foolishly wasted her corporation's assets by placing them in lowsec, where her alliance was too weak to defend them. When - naturally - they got blown up, Issler could have owned up to her hideous mistake. Or not. But that would merely be a reason to snicker at her alliance some more, rather than a thread. Instead, Issler chose to continue her habit of self-aggrandizement at the expense of the CSM (repeatedly demonstrated despite the public remonstrations of the rest of the CSM). She chose to paint her complete failure as an alliance leader not as a personal failure flowing from her many flaws, but instead claiming that her alliance had suffered losses because it had "littlerally [sic] be[en] attacked by the CSM".

Had it? Well, let's ask Hans Jagerblitzen, or Two Step, or any of the fine CSM members who had no connection whatsoever to the CSM. One might ask if Issler herself had somehow attacked her own alliance - though one can make that case given her actions. Claiming that her alliance was "littlerally " attacked by the CSM claims the CSM is not a body representing EVE, but instead a faction within eve. One that Issler is expected to support and contribute to, but by all accounts has contributed less to than even Darius III.

Do the right thing, Issler: Resign. If you are incapable of comprehending who the CSM even is - and that they are not Pandemic Legion - then you ought not be on it.


Those POSs have paid for themselves 10X over and in fact long since depreciated to 0 based on what we expected from the. We left them in place making isks for weeks before that were scattered. We met and decided consciously to leave them in place knowing that they would be destroyed eventually.

Eve is about risk/reward and we played that very very well in the case of those POSs.

As for the rest of it, goon opinions are the least relevant.

Issler
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-05-18 22:40:33 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
CCP won't save is, CSM won't save us, this is Eve. I'm not attacking CCP or CSM, I am saying they aren't in Eve to "save" us. That is the point of this message to my alliance, we need to not roll over and die. This message could go out to any other high sec corp or player that feels that they are under the boot heel of oppression in Eve.
Issler Dainze in the OP mail wrote:
To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken.

You seem to be griping about the CSM attacking you. Unfortunately, that's part of the game and EVE is in no way broken.

PL likes shooting things.
They cruise about in lowsec, among other places.
Your POSes were in lowsec, where they cruise about.
They shot it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2012-05-18 22:40:39 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


Those POSs have paid for themselves 10X over and in fact long since depreciated to 0 based on what we expected from the. We left them in place making isks for weeks before that were scattered. We met and decided consciously to leave them in place knowing that they would be destroyed eventually.

Eve is about risk/reward and we played that very very well in the case of those POSs.

As for the rest of it, goon opinions are the least relevant.

Issler



"Didn't want those POS anyway"
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#28 - 2012-05-18 22:44:01 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am saying they are not there to save us, not an attack, a call realize we have to face this on our own. Every high sec dweller needs to realize there are no magic game mechanics that can change the nature of Eve so don't expect them from CCP or the CSM.
Why would anyone in your corp assume that CCP or CSM would be interested in saving a lowsec POS?

Moreover, your e-mail claimed that CSM was "literally" attacking you. In what way is the CSM attacking your corp, and why are you trying to convince your corp that the CSM is their enemy?

This whole thing smells fishy.

MinerBumping.com
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2012-05-18 22:44:07 UTC
Fuujin wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


Those POSs have paid for themselves 10X over and in fact long since depreciated to 0 based on what we expected from the. We left them in place making isks for weeks before that were scattered. We met and decided consciously to leave them in place knowing that they would be destroyed eventually.

Eve is about risk/reward and we played that very very well in the case of those POSs.

As for the rest of it, goon opinions are the least relevant.

Issler
"Didn't want those POS anyway"

The good old "didn't want those XXYY ANYWAY. HAHA DIDN'T WANT IT LALALALALA ~~~" defense.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2012-05-18 22:45:02 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am saying they are not there to save us, not an attack, a call realize we have to face this on our own. Every high sec dweller needs to realize there are no magic game mechanics that can change the nature of Eve so don't expect them from CCP or the CSM.
Why would anyone in your corp assume that CCP or CSM would be interested in saving a lowsec POS?

Moreover, your e-mail claimed that CSM was "literally" attacking you. In what way is the CSM attacking your corp, and why are you trying to convince your corp that the CSM is their enemy?

This whole thing smells fishy.

It's is, by now, this close to being an actual fish.

What about a Merlin ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nymblar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-18 22:47:05 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

Those POSs have paid for themselves 10X over and in fact long since depreciated to 0 based on what we expected from the. We left them in place making isks for weeks before that were scattered. We met and decided consciously to leave them in place knowing that they would be destroyed eventually.



We're at the "You're not killing us fast enough" stage already?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#32 - 2012-05-18 22:48:08 UTC
Nymblar wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Those POSs have paid for themselves 10X over and in fact long since depreciated to 0 based on what we expected from the. We left them in place making isks for weeks before that were scattered. We met and decided consciously to leave them in place knowing that they would be destroyed eventually.



We're at the "You're not killing us fast enough" stage already?

Man, next time we need to get those POSes BEFORE it depreciates to 0.

Stuff doesn't depreciate in EVE you know... that POS can be used just as good as a new one - if it hadn't been blown up by dreadnaughts.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-18 22:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion Kohlar
Issler Dainze wrote:


Basically we are at war with the goons and the point no one is coming to help us. We have to stand on our own.

Issler

You run a crappy alliance/group that no one respects because it's you, Issler, running the whole game there. You have nothing to provide unlike most large null-sec organizations do towards each other. Neither do you have anything to provide to high-sec or low-sec groups either. Leadership ain't one of them.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#34 - 2012-05-18 22:51:11 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


Basically we are at war with the goons and the point no one is coming to help us. We have to stand on our own.

Issler

You run a crappy alliance/group that no one respects because it's you, Issler, running the whole game there. You have nothing to provide unlike most large null-sec organizations do towards each other.

I'll join you! My awoxer mining alt will join the cause!

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#35 - 2012-05-18 22:51:41 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am saying they are not there to save us, not an attack, a call realize we have to face this on our own. Every high sec dweller needs to realize there are no magic game mechanics that can change the nature of Eve so don't expect them from CCP or the CSM.
Why would anyone in your corp assume that CCP or CSM would be interested in saving a lowsec POS?

Moreover, your e-mail claimed that CSM was "literally" attacking you. In what way is the CSM attacking your corp, and why are you trying to convince your corp that the CSM is their enemy?

This whole thing smells fishy.


My point was in case any of our members thought my position in the CSM would have any affect on what other CSM did they needed to know that all the CSM keep their CSM and Eve lives separate.

No one in the CSM is going to take into account that I am in the CSM with them when they think about how they choose to play Eve.

For some folks that might not have been obvious and I wanted it clear to BEEP not to expect any favors.

Issler
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-18 22:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Karadion Kohlar
Issler Dainze wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am saying they are not there to save us, not an attack, a call realize we have to face this on our own. Every high sec dweller needs to realize there are no magic game mechanics that can change the nature of Eve so don't expect them from CCP or the CSM.
Why would anyone in your corp assume that CCP or CSM would be interested in saving a lowsec POS?

Moreover, your e-mail claimed that CSM was "literally" attacking you. In what way is the CSM attacking your corp, and why are you trying to convince your corp that the CSM is their enemy?

This whole thing smells fishy.


My point was in case any of our members thought my position in the CSM would have any affect on what other CSM did they needed to know that all the CSM keep their CSM and Eve lives separate.

No one in the CSM is going to take into account that I am in the CSM with them when they think about how they choose to play Eve.

For some folks that might not have been obvious and I wanted it clear to BEEP not to expect any favors.

Issler

Your point is also the same for any other CSM member ie Mittani & GoonSwarm Federation. So what was your point again? What makes you so unique in this other than you're Issler, a terrible Eve player.

Karadion Kohlar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2012-05-18 23:02:26 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Your point is also the same for any other CSM member ie Mittani & GoonSwarm Federation. So what was your point again? What makes you so unique in this other than you're Issler, a terrible Eve player.

Karadion Kohlar

Actually, there are many terrible EVE players. Like us.

~Ala

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#38 - 2012-05-18 23:02:50 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nymblar wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Those POSs have paid for themselves 10X over and in fact long since depreciated to 0 based on what we expected from the. We left them in place making isks for weeks before that were scattered. We met and decided consciously to leave them in place knowing that they would be destroyed eventually.



We're at the "You're not killing us fast enough" stage already?

Man, next time we need to get those POSes BEFORE it depreciates to 0.

Stuff doesn't depreciate in EVE you know... that POS can be used just as good as a new one - if it hadn't been blown up by dreadnaughts.


That was how they depreciated to 0.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2012-05-18 23:03:15 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
I am saying they are not there to save us, not an attack, a call realize we have to face this on our own. Every high sec dweller needs to realize there are no magic game mechanics that can change the nature of Eve so don't expect them from CCP or the CSM.
Why would anyone in your corp assume that CCP or CSM would be interested in saving a lowsec POS?

Moreover, your e-mail claimed that CSM was "literally" attacking you. In what way is the CSM attacking your corp, and why are you trying to convince your corp that the CSM is their enemy?

This whole thing smells fishy.


My point was in case any of our members thought my position in the CSM would have any affect on what other CSM did they needed to know that all the CSM keep their CSM and Eve lives separate.

No one in the CSM is going to take into account that I am in the CSM with them when they think about how they choose to play Eve.

For some folks that might not have been obvious and I wanted it clear to BEEP not to expect any favors.

Issler

It would be one thing if you actually had the courage to stand behind what you'd said. Not as good as if you had the ability to recognize your grevious error and apologize properly, of course. But it would have been a form of courage.

This, however, is simply embarassing. No reasonable person - indeed, not even most unreasonable people - will believe this was actually what you meant when you claimed the CSM was "literally" attacking you. To try and claim the courage of standing by what you said, while transparently trying to rewrite it s really the worst of all worlds. It convinces no one and makes it clear you are not willing to stand behind what you say when it is subjected to the harsh light of public scrutiny.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#40 - 2012-05-18 23:05:13 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
My point was in case any of our members thought my position in the CSM would have any affect on what other CSM did they needed to know that all the CSM keep their CSM and Eve lives separate.

No one in the CSM is going to take into account that I am in the CSM with them when they think about how they choose to play Eve.

For some folks that might not have been obvious and I wanted it clear to BEEP not to expect any favors.
Issler, I'm trying to trust in the honesty of your explanation, but your answers are making it more and more difficult. In your evemail, you said the CSM was "literally" attacking you. I asked for an explanation for this, but you didn't provide one. In fact, your latest response seems to contradict it entirely:

"No one in the CSM is going to take into account that I am in the CSM with them when they think about how they choose to play Eve."

If that's true, then the CSM is not attacking you, correct? So why were you telling your corp that the CSM was attacking them?

A prompt, clear, and honest response to these questions would be appreciated.

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