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Are the Goons killing Eve?
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#21 - 2012-05-18 06:32:53 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
again, the stats speak for themselves.
No they don't, not in isolation and certainly not how you're representing them.

You are taking a snapshot and making a wild extrapolation from that, ignoring the totality of the picture.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#22 - 2012-05-18 06:35:50 UTC
There have been big game releases before Hulkageddon V Im sure, and things weren't like they are.

I think you goons would be more popular if you ganked botters, Im sure you guys can easily pick'em,

ganking real innocent players just puts em off the game.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Rond Dorlezahn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-05-18 06:39:59 UTC
To answer a question:

No
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#24 - 2012-05-18 06:50:40 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:

Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play Roll


I bet those T2 rigs were not for tank.



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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-05-18 06:51:00 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Shaampoo wrote:
Please don't look at players on-line the week of a 12 years in waiting sequel

But yes if look at the graph of players online things are dropping

but i think that has nothing to do with any nullsec power bloc

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play Roll


Surely they'd need to be online even more, in order to earn that ISK back? Possibly by mining in something a little less optimised for yield and more for cheapness or survival.
Francisco Bizzaro
#26 - 2012-05-18 06:51:52 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Shaampoo wrote:
Please don't look at players on-line the week of a 12 years in waiting sequel

But yes if look at the graph of players online things are dropping

but i think that has nothing to do with any nullsec power bloc

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Hulkageddon is the meteor which hit at the end of the cretaceous era. Result: Lots of dead dinosaurs leaving behind a robust, adaptable population of mammals.

But actually I don't think hulkageddon has much to do with anything. We're in a decline after the previous expansion peak, which is not unusual.

Maybe some miners are learning they can't safely run 8 hulks at once, and are cutting back to 4. If they pay with PLEX anyway, that's only an indirect hit on CCP's bottom line and doesn't represent a genuine drop in number of players.

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again, the stats speak for themselves.

No, they don't actually. Correlation does not imply causation.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#27 - 2012-05-18 06:57:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Raptor
Roime wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:

Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play Roll


I bet those T2 rigs were not for tank.





Nothing will help the "wet paperbag" hulk against a couple of alpha strikers, we all know that.

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  
Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-05-18 07:11:19 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Shaampoo wrote:
Please don't look at players on-line the week of a 12 years in waiting sequel

But yes if look at the graph of players online things are dropping

but i think that has nothing to do with any nullsec power bloc

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play Roll



People want to quit a PVP game because PVP happend

Well i hope there mummy has a blankey ready for them

Honestly call me harsh but if they log on to eve and not expect to be untouchable just because they don't fit guns i might be inclined that space might be a bit rough for them..
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#29 - 2012-05-18 07:13:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Yes. Because D3 is an abysmal failure and no-one is playing it.



You're right, D3 got a mighty 3.8 outta 10 user rating.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii

Evelopedia; 

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Shian Yang
#30 - 2012-05-18 07:15:52 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Nothing will help the "wet paperbag" hulk against a couple of alpha strikers, we all know that.


Greetings capsuleer,

It is a shame that Hulks are not equipped with D-scan. And that their pilots have never learned to work in fleets, to have security nearby or any one of half a hundred other tricks that would boost their ability to survive the harsh realities of life in New Eden.

That said however, your analytical skills are poor. I expected better from you.

Regards,

Shian Yang
wiskyjack
New Eden Mining Organisation
The Craftsmen
#31 - 2012-05-18 07:16:29 UTC
in general people are giving goon fare to much credit. They didnt break it steel it or kill it, they are just doing what hundreds before them have done.

Manipulate the markets...... Nothing new
Hulkageddon...going for five year's....nothing new
Forming a super blob alliance.......nothing new

What is affecting EVE in general is the overall negative attitude a large percentage of players have. Everyone is pissed off about something. Be it high sec miners hating tankers, low sect hating high sec etc etc etc

So in the work off CCP.... Everything is fine and our logs show nothing.
Because nothing has changed bar the size of the mittanis ego
Francisco Bizzaro
#32 - 2012-05-18 07:21:10 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Yes. Because D3 is an abysmal failure and no-one is playing it.



You're right, D3 got a mighty 3.8 outta 10 user rating.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii

If you are going to start arguing that Diablo 3 bombed and nobody is playing it this week, you've got an uphill battle in front of you. Carry on.
Windy Wavicle
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-18 07:25:16 UTC
19,000 online now?

Half of these are probably the most die-hard EVE players, having 5-6 accounts average. The other half are bots. You're basically playing with maybe 1000 humans, 900 of whom are AFK.

This doesn't even take into account the padding that CCP does.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2012-05-18 07:26:39 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Roime wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:

Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Im not saying ban griefing, just saying put yourself into a miner's shoes, many hulks have 200mil rigs, so 500 mil down the drain by a little tek 1 ship, who's gonna be hurrying back to play Roll


I bet those T2 rigs were not for tank.





Nothing will help the "wet paperbag" hulk against a couple of alpha strikers, we all know that.


That is a good reason to make it even more of a paper bag, but also more expensive. I love the miner logic <3

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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#35 - 2012-05-18 07:29:07 UTC
My corps activity (usually something 25 or so online) and yes it has halved, and yes it is due to D3, Guild Wars II etc... Plus teh weather is improving and even some Eve player slike to go out in daylight occasionally... Given that we are a corp who took part in the burning of Jita and some hulkageddoning (though not so much) I think that it is unlikely to have made my pilots quit Eve in rage.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-05-18 07:30:49 UTC
Windy Wavicle wrote:
19,000 online now?

Half of these are probably the most die-hard EVE players, having 5-6 accounts average. The other half are bots. You're basically playing with maybe 1000 humans, 900 of whom are AFK.

This doesn't even take into account the padding that CCP does.


There aren't a lot of people online when America is still asleep and Europe is just getting its morning coffee? Please, tell me more.
Weyuun
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-18 07:38:33 UTC
Im a player of Eve for about a year and 1/2 now. Most of my income has come from mining.. nothting fancy, hours of work to earn enough to buy my first hulk.. followed by more hours of work. Im not into PvP, more because my lifestyle cant support the time it takes to hunt cooperatively with a group of others. I have lost 2 hulks now, to dirt cheap (in comparison) PvP ships.

I just wanted to say, I don't get it.. I really dont understand what fun or challenge there is, to destroy a mining ship. It seems such a selfish, ego driven, and teenage - rage thing to do. I understand of course, its for the ISK earning... but even so.. it seems so short sighted a way to play.

Don't the PvPers think that if the kill too many miners.. they themselves will have to go back to mining, to make up for the shortfall?.. Perhaps that's what it is.. control enough of the Market.. and you stand to make more of a profit.

I know that pretty much anything goes, in Eve.. I understand that, I signed up for it.. at least initially... all I can say is that contrary to many PvPers belief's ... as a miner, I cant afford to keep loosing mining ships, so I'm seriously considering quitting Eve.. and I know from all the posts I've been reading.. Im not the only one.

Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all? Hulkaggedon is just a big, idiotic and short sighted childhood bully-fest.

And a single visit to Hulkageddon V: Unholy Unions web page will reveal them for the silly children they are:

http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/

Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#38 - 2012-05-18 07:40:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Shaampoo wrote:
Please don't look at players on-line the week of a 12 years in waiting sequel

But yes if look at the graph of players online things are dropping

but i think that has nothing to do with any nullsec power bloc

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Five thousand 300 million isk Hulks dead and all the victims just bounced back happy as ever...........right...

Ban all Hulkageddoners would solve this issue?

Huh, well...


No but making it harder for griefers to make miners lives a misery in hi sec might, especially for those gamers who aren't interest in the PVP aspect of Eve, making it a little harder to suicide gank (do they still get insurance if shot by concorde ? not sure) and a ban on scamming new players to the game for the 1st few months could be good as well.

I saw some guy getting trolled because he fell for the Goon recruitment isk scam who was fairly new to the game, why would he stick around if thats his experience of the community.

All of the above surely must put some players off Eve. Who wants to play something which sometimes feels like the bullies playground. You can tell the players who leave " can I have your stuff" but then who are you going to shoot and scam when all your victims have all fu**ed off to pastures new and just the bullies are left.


There have always been power blocks, Curse, BoB etc, but none have made it their mission to make other players lives a misery, unlike Goons with there self confessed "we don't want to ruin the game just your game" well when you have ruined allot of players games , why should they stick around for more of the same ? so you can mock them ?

Don't get me wrong, Kudos to Goons for what they have achieved, I just feel your going to scare allot of players away, and is that a good thing for the longevity of Eve.


I know im going to get trolled to death for this post.

Tal




Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-05-18 07:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Takseen
Weyuun wrote:

Seriously.. why would I pay for a game that I can't play for a whole month during the year... because if I try to play in the way I would prefer too.. I will only die, and be worse of than not playing at all?


I'd love to do the level 4 epic arcs in an untanked Megathron with a full rack of magstabs. But if I try to play in the way I prefer, I will only die. I guess the only alternative is to not do the level 4 epic arcs.

Edit : And unsub with my 47 accounts of course.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#40 - 2012-05-18 07:43:02 UTC
The Goons aren't killing EvE, just stirring it up a bit which keeps it fresh.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law