Jita Park Speakers Corner

Faction Warfare - What are the plans for post-Inferno work here?

I'm sure Hans will be along to post here shortly...

Thanks for your detailed feedback, we will be sure to pass on your desire to completely delete Faction Warfare from the game at the summit...

I think you are not fully thinking out the consequences. If you guys can cyno jam, I would worry that people like Goons and PL will put alts in FW and "ruin" it for the rest of you.

O'h dear they will "ruin" it for the rest of us by plexing all day and all night, every week, to get LP to put in every system ihub in the war zone, so they can anchor and online a cyno jammer at one of their alt POSs in every system. What ever will we do??!!?! O'h I have an idea, carry on as normal without getting hot dropped by a bored 0.0 alliance that is too scared to fight a war with anyone that may have 20+ super carriers of their own to drop on them. O'h and it'll mean that we have lowest LP store costs for our items with them keeping all the systems at full Sov soooo we (the none alts who are in FW) will just have to settle for more PvP over PvE.... Sorry I really can't see a downside to them bringing alts to FW just to "ruin" it for us.

Have you even looked at the FW ihub settings? Only 75K LP buffer (150K LP in real terms) before the Level 5 sov upgrade gets switched off. That can be done in 20 mins with the right plex pooling. I'm still awaiting a response in the FW thread about if that will be raised but it's full of emo whining about datacores.

But at the end of the day, please don't "worry" about us because FW has nothing to do with you as you live in WH space.

Plexing, system upgrades, and consequences of defeat/rewards of victory all need to be looked at.

Additionally, the LP stores for each militia should be revamped to make them more unique compared to both each other and compared to non-militia LP stores.

Make more of the FW victory/defeat related consequences impact high-sec rather than the people fighting the war in low-sec.

Yes, FW for pirate factions! Starting with Sansha's Nation, as it makes up somewhat for not making it hard to fight FOR Nation in Incursions.
...and perhaps some others too. Intaki Syndicate comes to mind. I mean, Intaki is a FW system...

Some ideas for Improved Upgrades. The current upgrades are useless and irrelevant.

Improved PI upgrades would be nice. Perhaps more output per level.
Reduced cost in reprocessing and refining.
Reduced cost in repair
More payout per rat per level
More grav site spawns

Bonuses to science and research slots would be a huge buff to lowsec inhabitants however you need to add more science slots then. But if you do, the problem then becomes that FW pilots don't want to pour in LP into a station that others end up using before they will. So there has to be a mechanism for allowing FW pilots (and preferably the primary donaters of LP) to have access to the slots first.

Move station deny docking from being automatic when a system is captured to something that only happens when the enemy upgrade a system to level X. Here is something proposed by someone else;



I don't like lockouts because it would be unfair for say the Gallente militia to roam into enemy space and be hunted by pirates/neutrals who can dock but we can't.

We need LP for defensive plexing. Say half of offensive plexing. Otherwise, it becomes exhausting to spin a button. I'd rather just let the other guy plex the system to vulnerable because I'm calling their bluff that they can't bring a buster bunking fleet. And if they bust the bunker, we'll just plex it back and it becomes Farmville.

I want the NPC pirate factions to be involved in faction warfare.

Below are some questions/comments about FW for discussion

1) Why did CPP choose to release FW changes in Inferno without a) balancing NPCs in the Escalation patch and b) changing the amount of VP (dropped the plex VP payout to 20% of pre-Inferno levels) in the Escalation patch so that the Amarr especially weren't fighting with 1 hand behind their back. When the minmitar can speed tank majors and we can't and they can flip a system in the USTZ after undoing any effort that the AU/EU have done, its no wonder we hold next to no systems.
This question to me needs looking into as it is similar to the question of how UI was released before it was ready...

2) Cyno jammers. I pointed out at fan fest that the militia is a COALITION, not an ALLIANCE. As such, how can one corp/alliance have control over a cyno jammer? And if anyone can control it, see next point re the spies. As an example, you don't see members of the CFC being able to shut down other member's cynos...

3) Spies. We can't kick members from the NPC militias, so unlike a null sec alliance, we have to put up with them. Dropping the faction standings means they can just join without putting any effort in. Additionally, if the standings are 0.0 and not 0.5 to join, it makes it possible for people to jump back and forth between militias who are there to farm, not to actually fight.

4) Is CPP going to review the decision to only pay out LP if you are within range of the timer? Whilst I have seen people rushing to get onto a timer someone else has run down to get LP, this also means you don't paid if you fight on the warp in to defend the plex if you get in first.

5) NPC balance and fixing the plexing bugs HAS to be the next main focus for FW before newer features are added.

6) Since we (Amarr) can't really pull FW missions now, I was wondering if FW missions spawn in enemy held systems or continue to work like they did before Inferno. It doesn't make sense if the minnie missions don't spawn in the amarr held systems.

Most importantly, the FW community needs to know more about what CCP is planning so we can provide feedback. Changes came out in Inferno we were not aware of such as not receiving LP unless we were within the range of plex timer. Whilst this was noted as a derp with the patch notes, it would be good to have this sort of thing advertised in advance.

The put in a requirement that only player owned corps can put up cynojammers. If Goons/PL want to put up alt corps, then fine. Those corps can be war dec'd and their cynojammers can be removed.

Prioirity List:
FW Plexes (high priority, in order):
1. Fix plex bug where plex does not respawn if both sides are near the timer at the same time.
2. Fix plexing mechanics such that afk warp core-stabbed shi** f** frigs cannot speed tank offensive plexes. (Put in a requirement that all rats must be killed is one solution). Edit:Apparently afk repping Incursus' are solo'ing Caldari plexes now. Not good, game breaking as well.
3. Balance NPCs in plexes. Don't listen to the hordes of players like me with limited perspective. CCP Yttr should try them out for himself and figure out what makes sense for balancing.

FW Missions (low priority, in order): I'm one of the guys who prefers FW missions over plexes because they give me an excuse to keep moving throughout the war theater. It is also fun to grief mission runners when I get the chance.
1. Put a "poison pill" in missions so they can be griefed.
2. Have completion/failure of a mission count add VP towards occupancy.