Jita Park Speakers Corner

The war Idea you have there makes sense, except most reasoning for going to "war" in eve is the "just because we can" factor.

Not everyone wants to go off and destroy other people in a system that is essentially worthless to your corp/alliance/coalition.

Issue boils down to a few key points:

First.. the problem with 0.0 is the balance with other types of space in terms of risk and in making people join together so please bare with me:

In high sec
-Missions are too easy and have no risk and little reward high end, missions should be risky and rewarding (like they used to be) and encourage people to gang together.
-Incursions are low risk in high sec they encourage people to gang together but not in any permanent or useful way. Income is about to be nerfed but still too little risk for payout.
-Wormhole space should not be accessible from high sec, logistics is too easy and should involve some transit through low sec. wormhole space in turn needs to be improved (pos management improvements so you can live there without it being a ballache would be good).

Low sec
-Low sec has no real rewards and is a risky environment (perceived or otherwise) which is sadly under utilised and populated (plonking some FW on it wont fix it) wormhole space and incursion access should be a big plus to living in low sec over high sec and make people join together in competition with other.
-Low sec needs further iteration to have pirate and drug runner type missions and counter concord /local police missions with unique rewards and elements
-Low sec needs to be independent from 0.0 and high sec, you should be able to live their and make your gameplay focus on that. I would suggest low sec improvement is a whole new expansion to give it its worth. Once again low sec improvement is NOT FW.

Moons/mining
High end Moons in 0.0 and low sec are static income and risk free once you have enough of them

What do we replace moons in general with, cause if 'tech is nerfed' it'll only be a matter of time till another T2 bottleneck is found:

-CCP Soundwave was proposing removing or reducing moon output and allowing minerals to be gathered from moon belts, I am somewhat dubious about the idea of 'mining' since mining is **** (but apparently some people like it) and is very open to abuse by bots.
-'Roid Mining is utter crap and open to easy abuse by bots, recent changes in drops/ drones means most minerals come now from those crazy few sitting there mining all day. Mining needs iterating on to make it more productive more exploration based and interactive potentially more risky and hence (god help us all) fun and a non semi-AFK group activity.
-I'd prefer less pos mining output and more POS options and better use of POS's and all moons in a way that requires much more player interaction as a particular moon mineral depletes you need to manage the POS to target a new area of the moon which if overmined will deplete but allow other minerals to mine (like PI).
-There should also be more trade/ transport between moon types (requiring careful strategic placement) and even solar system types ('Sorry that reaction is only available in a system with a white dwarf') rather then an 'endless magic gold moon' you staticly mine/fuel forever and which never depletes.
-Some Moon minerals and other high end industrial goods/ores should also be available from other routes in limited amounts, such as PI within 0.0 sov.

0.0 income
The problem is not just were moon types are spread, its the whole concept of top down alliance funding and sov.

Income should come from the grass roots and activity.
- 'Empire management' tools don't exist today.
- Alliance and corp treaty renting/ tribute management doesn't exist.
- Alliance taxation doesn't exist.

Current sov is stupid and boring, I almost prefer the tower spamming.
The amount of space and sov an alliance has should be based on its activity in PVP and PVE, not how much sov bill it pays and how many stupid big fat sov structures it puts up / grinds thru. The current sov mechanics 'incremental sov' is a joke and doesn't mean anything except for a few key upgrades. Sov should be more key to how useful a system is how profitable it is and how much a target for raiding it could be for hostiles. Sov should be based on players using a system but at risk:

- A fat plump system makes it a target for people to come along and take out your PI, NPC traders, trading posts, pos, manufacturing etc money making operations and blow up and actually loot your sov income. This should then create more fights and things to fight over at a much more macro scale. Not just BLOB THE TCU SBU, in fact I'd like these kind of structures to be one of a few different types of lower hp reinforcable sov bonus /management structures in sov warfare you can find scattered around systems not the only defining ones.

- A fat plump system can also be upgraded in terms of new defence structures that could be set around key structures (eg batteries / fighter /drone arrays) to help mitigate raids but this adds expense and requires efforts to equip and fuel, as well as more expensive stuff to blow up or die to, especially if defended with/by players. This and a overall structure upkeep cost should be the sov bill not the 'flat fee'.

Eg:
Spaceballs alliance- FC #spaceballsingravy: LOL they docked up, again, ok lets spend 10 minutes and blow up their trade NPCs and RF their trade and commerce hubs. If they keep this up we will blow it all up and they will lose industrial sov 1 in two days. Can't wait to loot all their stuff, should be a hundred mils worth at least.

Rainbowbears alliance - Director #Carebear1: FFS guys we are going to lose 2 bil in structures and all our income in FF-69 if we dont go sort this **** out tomorrow, they also hit B3AR and l3-34 just cause you faggots didn't undock and defend it from 10 guys, get out there and defend our space tomorrow or we will be dropping sov in here and pulling back to somewhere we can defend.

Great idea. Make it so the moon minerals move every 2-3 weeks so everyone has to spend a lot of time scanning moons and moving their reaction tower around.

It'll be awesome.

This isn't the problem you think it is.

Remove JBs and all jumpdrives. Power projection problem solved.

How do you intent to "limit the power projection capabilities of super alliances" without also limiting smaller alliances in the same way?

Explain this whilst also accounting for the ability of large alliances to divide themselves into multiple smaller entities in order to game the system.

Making your terrible idea happen less often doen't make it any less of a terrible idea.

Moonshifting has been discussed to death over and over again, its main effects are to discourage territorial conquest, make alliances put their members through endless cycles of boring time consuming moonscanning and POS logistics (which affects smaller entities more, since they don't have the manpower to share out the workload as widely), and bloat the mineral prices through continuous disruption of the supply chain.

And it still does effectively nothing to enable smaller entities to gain a slice of the tech pie (although it does give them the opportunity to get 100 superbloc dreads dropped on their moon mining operations within a day or two of them being set up).

Lots of unused space down south. I hear Stain is a pretty dead region these days, for example.

You need sov to stay in null?

We don't project power down south, though, and there are tons of systems which aren't used there either. vOv

So there's nothing but super alliances in nullsec, and it's currently absolutely hopeless for anyone to even bother?