Jita Park Speakers Corner

yes 1.5mil hurts the wallet so much to gank a 300mil ship but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt that this was sarcasm or only refering to the tier3 BC

anyways, I am of the mind set that there is not enough variety in the types of mining barges and exhumers that are considered viable, especially when compared to the number and variety of combat ships, which needs to be addressed.

First, similar to Gevlin's, I think that getting rid of the ship tiers like they did with the frigates in inferno and giving each ship type a clear role with pros and cons when deciding which to use would be great.

second, I think that there should be some way that miners can defend themselves until help arrives. Note that I am not talking about offensive weapons but defensive and mostly group oriented. Like a cheaper mining barge which mines less per hour that would shield other mining barges and exhumers at the expense of its own shields and armor thus protecting the more expensive mining barges and exhumers but not making miners immortal just takes longer to kill. That was just an example, other group type combos should also be considered.

Right now there is no point to fleeting up to go mine except for the good times and your just a bigger target, and even if you bring combat ships they won't be able to react fast enough to an alpha strike plus why bring combat ships when you can bring another miner which I find to be a miners mind set. There is no in-between solution. I often hear gankers and miners compared to predator and prey but right now only the gankers have many types of teeth, claws, speed, etc while the prey only have one speed, no horns, limited defensive mechanisms(dscan and local), no way to posture or group up to make a ganker/s think twice about whether or not they can pull off a kill. Another example of darwin's theory, evolve the tools to survive or go extinct. Which is why I think that group based defensive roles should be added for specialized mining ships and modules.


To sum it up,
diversity in ships and their abilities

defensive type ships must have a use outside combat preferably for mining or they won't be used by a serious carebear

point is not to kill aggressors but to delay, divert, or escape

this will not make miners invulnerable, gankers will have to adapt to the situation that is all

Hehehehe ... how about making Strip Mining Lasers do damage, webbing, and warp disruption against enemy ships?

Not copious amounts, just enough to encourage grouping up so that say 3 or 5 hulks put together, could stop and destroy a single can flipper? Might generate some fun encounters ....

Would have no impact against gankers, since there is no possible defense against alpha strikes .... unless you did something like generate a giant protective dust cloud or something ...

It's dishonest to say that Catalysts "alpha pop" a Hulk. They use DPS, and can be countered with remote repping. Alpha requires tier 3 battlecruisers and those run to 100M or so with a rack of 1400mm arty fitted. Please don't muddy this thread with obvious inaccuracies.

It is not.

While the bounty system Malcanis came up with has a lot of merit, it's not particularly related to neither industry nor mining. Wardec/crimewatch is probably the more correct avenue, and oh wait I see you've already posted it there.

Yes, telling you of a better thread to spam an idea in is definitely "censoring".

Well aren't you a little sweetcake to say so