EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Now please elaborate the intent on breaking the rules this year.
Which basis do you build your case on?

On the fact they formed a corp on Sisi together for easier logistics and communications?
Which relevance does that have on TQ?

The fact they asked and petitioned this several times to check up if this was alright?
This might seem as if they knew it might be wrong, on the other hand if they knew it was wrong would they petition to check if it was or wasn't?
They received an answer which might have been based on not complete information, but that is also partially to blame on CCP, yet Hydra / Outbreak have to pay the price.
Double standard is a word that comes to mind.

Since there was no rule broken last year and since a lot of what happens on Sisi has no bearing in TQ I see evidence build upon quicksand.
It's build on pure speculation based on guttfeelings.
Ofcourse several entities will claim this isn't the case, but the main arguements in favour of the ban I see are build upon the same false and incomplete premisis the whole ban is build on in the first place.

The utter lack of communication of the AT Team and the poor handling of the aftermath is surely something to be looked into. Even if the only result will be that in the future decisions are based on more than guttfeelings and conjectures and that communications lines are too important to be ignored or not taken into consideration.

They should allow B teams so that TEST can submit couple hundred of them, get all spots, and win all prizes.

While you're in furiiouspostingmode sreegs I would like to ask you as to why the AT team decided they would collaborate with RvB, contacting and explaining what they could and could not do when working together, yet you would not contact and/or ignored hydra and outbreak when they were not even two halves of a single entity like RvB is. It is this fact primarily that does not sit with me, that you can choose to accommodate some and just jump on the banwagon with others. If you could explain why this should not be construed as favouritism and or a grudge I would be much obliged.

You replied to the conspiracy part of my post, thanks. however, it's not something i want to discuss because it is my personal opinion.

The other part: you say, petition message was ambiguous and we didn't follow reply closely. It may be true, okay. You say, email is the same as petition, but in other words, okay.

If it's similar and ambiguous, i want you to point at the statement of email which we didn't follow and broke. I'll even split them so you can mark them with "true" or "false":

1) Hydra and 0utbreak have been different groups on TQ for the past year
2) will have different people leading the teams this year
3) We do not intend to work together or colaborate in any way in the tournament matches starting on June 30th
4) We only intend to test together in the preparation through the medium of testing on SiSi.

And the final question "Assuming that there's no collaboration between our alliances in any way in the actual tournament, apart from testing, are we classed in the A/B team criteria?" is not a statement, it just a summary with the request for your opinion, so i'm not including it.

I don't want you to write blabbing post, just statement numbers and "true" and "false", with the reasoning behind "false" if possible.

Lol you're actually buying that "technicality"? Check out how wormhole logistics work, it has been repeated ad nauseaum. That was not the real reason for the bans, everybody knows it.

We are not all seeing this because, as had already been stated, there is no prohibition against sparring. When you spar against an opponent, not only do you get to see their obvious fleet composition, but if any losses are inflicted, kill reports are generated.

In any given fight there are many things you can learn about your opponent just from watching the game. Based on their speed you can infer an AB, MWD, or Nano fitting. You can look at their ship and see what guns are equipped and if there are any shield visual effects. You can also look at the damage log and inferring the strength of their hits relative to your tank you can make a reasonable guess about the number of damage mods.

Sparring produces tons of free information that is both useful and not considered collusion. This is why the hand wringing about theorycraft and setups rings hollow. A vast amount of information can be freely shared as is and everything else would occur through non monitored channels.