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Can someone tell me if this is a good fit for lvl4s?

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Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#1 - 2012-05-16 22:30:11 UTC
Read topic. Im new to fitting Machariels and would want to make sure my fit is capable.

Machariel, mission fit

[Low Slots]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

[Medium Slots]
Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Mission Specific Shield Hardener II
Mission Specific Shield Hardener II

[High Slots]
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I
Drone Link Augmentor I

[Rigs]
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I

[Drones]
T2 Lights & Mediums

I plan to speed tank this Mach, and the x-large is only used for emergency purposes

Not sure if this is a good fit, or even lvl4 worthy. If it's noob fit just go on ahead and call it out. Constructive criticism is greatly appreciated, so are positive inputs and ideas

Thanks guys
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2012-05-16 22:45:39 UTC
Yeah this is decent and you're on the right path, however I see your skills are lacking cause you don't have T2 large guns, the Machariels primary tank is in speed and it's ability to kill everything at range before tanking becomes a problem. You may find you're lacking range or not doing enough dps to compensate for the somewhat low tank.

My advice: Use a Mael or Tempest until you have T2 large guns and all gunnery support at a minimum of IV before you start using the Machariel.
Sentry 10
Escape Velocity
#3 - 2012-05-16 22:50:37 UTC
i do have both faction BS skills at 4, and all gunnery at 4 as well. my falloff is now in the 65km range, and dps with guns is in the upper 750s. do you think that's enough?
Leetha Layne
#4 - 2012-05-16 23:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Leetha Layne
That will work fine. As mentioned though, get those guns to T2 ASAP. Then your DPS will crack 900-1000. The Mach's defense is it's DPS at range.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-17 01:30:51 UTC
if you have the cash you can buy faction guns to help dps. in the long run you should still aim for T2 guns. also from what i hear, faction ammo is actually worth it in a mach; it will increase your dps so much that the higher cost are offset by the higher kill speed and mission completion time.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Drunken Bum
#6 - 2012-05-17 01:52:10 UTC
lose 2 of the cap rigs in favour of projectile ones imo. The 4th gyro is subject to harsh stacking penalties. The cap rigs really arent needed. Dropping the 4th gyro frees up a low slot for all kinds of options. A nanofiber is great for more mobility, (better speed tank) or a damage control for more tank ( I wouldnt bother personally but its an option) signal amplifier for more range, quicker locking times. If you shell out for some cheap pith c type hardeners, 3 of them will generally tank more than 2 + the boost amplifier.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-05-17 02:23:51 UTC
Drunken Bum wrote:
lose 2 of the cap rigs in favour of projectile ones imo. The 4th gyro is subject to harsh stacking penalties. The cap rigs really arent needed. Dropping the 4th gyro frees up a low slot for all kinds of options. A nanofiber is great for more mobility, (better speed tank) or a damage control for more tank ( I wouldnt bother personally but its an option) signal amplifier for more range, quicker locking times. If you shell out for some cheap pith c type hardeners, 3 of them will generally tank more than 2 + the boost amplifier.


With T2 damage mods, your 4th adds 7.27% to DPS. In my book that's worth it.
Ike Snicklefritz
Pink Fuzzy Dice
#8 - 2012-05-17 02:51:09 UTC
Personally, I like to fit a Damage Control II instead of the 4th gyro just to give myself some mild gank protection in what is a very expensive hull. Won't save you from everything of course, but I like to play it safer.

And as everybody else has said, go for those T2 guns. They are absolutely delightful, I promise you.
Giuseppe Ottaviani
Serendipity's Polyvinyl Yacht Club
Misfits Alliance
#9 - 2012-05-18 10:44:03 UTC
resists arent enough imo you should have an invul field and 2 specific hardeners. Also a 100mn microwarp drive is a lot better and faster than an afterburner.

Usually i start the month with a postman!

Azura Solus
Rules of Acquisition
#10 - 2012-05-22 05:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Azura Solus
Here ya go this baby works like a charm. Ya had a nice starter but this will do ya right.

[Machariel, Pve]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Damage Control II

Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I





Using this to run brutor tribe missions outa Ivar like a Boss .
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-22 08:14:57 UTC
Azura Solus wrote:
Here ya go this baby works like a charm. Ya had a nice starter but this will do ya right.

[Machariel, Pve]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Damage Control II

Core C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Explosive Deflection Field II
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Fusion L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I





Using this to run brutor tribe missions outa Ivar like a Boss .


the dcu is only useful if you have to fear being suicide ganked. the tiny amount of shield tank it provides is not nearly worth sacrificing a fourth gyro. if anything you should fit a cap mod to help sustained tank when you screw up a trigger or something.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Irri Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-22 09:39:54 UTC
Mach is a nice ship to mission with.

You got a good basic fit for starters. You'll prolly tweak it with personal experience in the future.

Tips:

- Faction ammo, though expensive, will up the dps a 100 or so.
- Implantslot 9 and 10 can fit dps implants.
- Certain C-sumthink shieldhardeners are pretty cheap, light on cap and give a bit more resistance than regular t2 ones.
- Before embarking on the (longish) t2 guns training path you might wanna train your surgical strike and rapid firing to 5. Both will improve your dps quite considerably.

fly safe.

Irri
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-05-22 09:55:41 UTC
i was using this

[Machariel, pve]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Domination 100MN Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
[empty high slot]

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x4


You have AF on and stable at 62% (my skills ) and you can use the shield at 552 defence omni for 3 min (more than enough) At some missions i wasnt even moving just shooting way to fast to end the mission as fast as possibe (thats why you see sentries) . Your defence goes up as you move (547 m/s my skills) . Plus making it too shinny you can always attrack people to gang you.
As for the DCU i find it a better choice cause a 4th gyro add 50 dps (not going to save youmuch of a time cause rof is high on machariel ) and a 4th tracking give 6 km so not worth it. On the contrary a DCU give 69 defence more that i prefered to have

Ride hard, live with passion 

stoicfaux
#14 - 2012-05-22 12:19:13 UTC
Drones. Instead of medium drones, you could use heavy TP drones and heavy Web drones. A 3-1 mix is probably good. TP drones are quick and have a 10+km optimal so they apply their effect relatively quickly. The idea is that drone damage is pretty meh on a Mach, so it's better to increase your gun's damage than to fiddle with drones. (TPs have the same effect as tracking enhancers. Webs allow you to control transversal easier.)

Here's what I use in Minnie space. The MWD Mach is just smurf-tastic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/58393-Machariel-Level-4-Blitzer-MWD-Web-EW-Drones-Minmatar-Space.html

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I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-05-24 03:05:29 UTC
Fitting a DCU in favour of a 4th gyrostabilizer on a Machariel is sacrilege.
Lady Aja
#16 - 2012-05-24 08:20:34 UTC
this is somethign me and a good friend ingame ganked.

not saying its a good fit or anything.. but the pilot was using it for lvl 4's

[Machariel, Machariel]
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-24 22:22:04 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
this is somethign me and a good friend ingame ganked.

not saying its a good fit or anything.. but the pilot was using it for lvl 4's

[Machariel, Machariel]
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5


Scrubby permatank build with that medium booster, for bads who can't manage a capacitor (might as well put a helmet on top of the Machariel with how stupid you'd have to be).
Lady Aja
#18 - 2012-05-25 00:29:49 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Lady Aja wrote:
this is somethign me and a good friend ingame ganked.

not saying its a good fit or anything.. but the pilot was using it for lvl 4's

[Machariel, Machariel]
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster

Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Hail L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5


Scrubby permatank build with that medium booster, for bads who can't manage a capacitor (might as well put a helmet on top of the Machariel with how stupid you'd have to be).



i find that really ironic.. after a friend lost his cap boosting nightmare to npc's

also i dont know of any cap boosting bs's that can do 5x enemies abound back to back and not need to wait for cap to refil or inject cap.

basically if it works for the pilot who gives a ****?
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!