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So ofc ive been following this... (CCP answer the questions)

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-16 16:15:45 UTC
I don't even see the problem... prices went up a lot with the drone loot removal.... but thats it...
and what do u mean ore prices havent moved??? tritanium was almost 6 isk each after the update pyerite (finaly) broke 7 isk each, hasn't been that high since before insurance nerf.
RAP ACTION HERO
#22 - 2012-05-16 16:24:47 UTC
jesus hulkageddon aint even over yet

vitoc erryday

Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#23 - 2012-05-16 16:26:02 UTC
Interweb spazships are serious bizniss

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#24 - 2012-05-16 16:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ban Bindy
Usage numbers certainly look down to me. OP should unsub, like I did with my 4 accounts. This one is the last and it ends next week. Feels good. I have all this time to do things. I keep posting mostly for the annoyance factor, and since I paid for the subscription through next week. Might as well get some amusement for my money.

Free market? Not so much, really. A real free market includes the ability of the market to influence conditions like the laws and regulations. Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. Laws and action against ganking, for one.

Oh the sandbox. The precious sandbox. The excuse for everything in the game. The sandbox can kiss my butt.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#25 - 2012-05-16 16:33:48 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
This one is the last and it ends next week. Feels good.

Confirming that it does, in fact, feel good to see an end to your shitposting.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2012-05-16 16:34:38 UTC
Dragon Outlaw wrote:
The question should be: "What does CCP think when there is a significant amount of their paying customers that do not log in the game because of the current situation". Because it feels like there is less people logging in the game these days (I might be wrong on that impression of mine here so feel free to correct me).

Anyways, in the company I work for, there would be serious discussions in upper management if the same issue would be happening. Heads would surely be rolling.


I'm assuming that would be after the facts are ascertained and analyzed, unlike any of the speculation in this thread.

The last information we have seen is that subscriptions continue to increase steadily on an annual basis.

To the poster that had a couple of friends try EVE and quit, this has happened to me as well... in nearly every game I like and have recommended to someone. This is not unique to EVE, people have different tastes. Hulkageddon has little, if anything to do with it. New players are not even the main target of Hulkaggedon.

If they had been careless, gotten blown up by rats or can flipped, and quit saying it was stupid to not be able to freely do industry in High Sec I must assume you would be participating in a thread dedicated to the evils of can flippers and NPC spawns in general.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#27 - 2012-05-16 16:36:05 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free.


Plex doesn't generate isk, it generates 30 days of play time. You can sell it to somebody who earned isk through mission running, mining, industry, or scamming (from those who mission run, mine, or do industry), all of which are isk generating resources. The isk that you receive from said player is removed from their wallet so no new isk is generated.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#28 - 2012-05-16 16:39:16 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Usage numbers certainly look down to me. OP should unsub, like I did with my 4 accounts. This one is the last and it ends next week. Feels good. I have all this time to do things. I keep posting mostly for the annoyance factor, and since I paid for the subscription through next week. Might as well get some amusement for my money.

Free market? Not so much, really. A real free market includes the ability of the market to influence conditions like the laws and regulations. Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. Laws and action against ganking, for one.

Oh the sandbox. The precious sandbox. The excuse for everything in the game. The sandbox can kiss my butt.


So more laws and restrictions = a free market.

Gotcha.

Learn what a free market is, then perhaps learn what a sandbox game is, then come back and tell us how you and your 4 accounts are at a disadvantage to all the other players using the exact same toolset that is at your disposal.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#29 - 2012-05-16 16:39:36 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Free market? Not so much, really. A real free market includes the ability of the market to influence conditions like the laws and regulations. Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. Laws and action against ganking, for one.

You might want to revise your definition of "free market". No matter the claims, the United States does not operate under a free market; there is plenty of regulation and governmental control to go around. EVE has no barrier for entry into the marketplace.

Also, what Micheal Dietrich said.

E: Ninja'd.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2012-05-16 16:40:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free.


Plex doesn't generate isk, it generates 30 days of play time. You can sell it to somebody who earned isk through mission running, mining, industry, or scamming (from those who mission run, mine, or do industry), all of which are isk generating resources. The isk that you receive from said player is removed from their wallet so no new isk is generated.


PLEX are not an ISK faucet.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2012-05-16 16:43:33 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free.
PLEX makes exactly zero ISK enter the game (in fact, it makes some leave) and the flood of ISK has no impact on the freedom of the market.
Quote:
In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market.
…and as luck would have it, such actions are entirely possible by those who wish to engage in them. The fact that no-one is indicates that the market scarcity isn't particularly painful yet.
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-05-16 16:45:36 UTC
It's too bad CCP let it get to the point where they had to drastically rebalance so many economic factors, but it had to be done.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-05-16 16:49:32 UTC
Yet again, people who do not understand a thing here.

You do not understand that CCP want Eve to be player driven, wether you like it or not that is how Eve is and will stay. I fyou want to make Eve better all you need to do is organise yourselves as well as your enemy.

You do not understand the CFC or GSF, why would they want to destroy a game they play? What you do not see is that the CFC actually care more about this game than you do.

You do not understand that if CCP do step in, they kill Eve.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

Nate Guralman
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-05-16 16:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Nate Guralman
I think that you (the OP) significantly over-estimate the impact that the Goons have on the game. I suspect you may be suffering from EVE Online Forum Bias Syndrome (or what I like to call EOF-BS).

Just like in the real world, you have two types of information: (1) Sensationalized information in the form of stories and anecdotes and (2) the truth. Too much consumption of (1) leads to EOF-BS. A steady diet of (2) can help cure it.

So, to help you get over EOF-BS, I would like to present two things to you:

The first is the dev blog that followed the Burn Jita event. In it, the author clearly states that they LOVE events like Burn Jita. That means that CCP's response that you're looking for is to help players create MORE of these, and not stop it in anyway.

The second is CCP Diagora's Twitter feed. In it, he presents fascinating statistics from the world of EVE. EVE isn't hemorraging players, as you've stated. In fact, it's the opposite. Here's one of his tweets:

Quote:
124,106 characters created in April, of which 13,298 have been deleted - 110,808 remaining.


I'm sure this include alts that were created by existing players, but I'm also pretty sure that this includes characters from new accounts.

As for your concern about ore prices staying the same while everything else is going up, it's because people who were stockpiling minerals prior to the Escalation patch started selling those minerals on the market. How do I know? Again, we turn to CCP Diagora:

Quote:
On April 30th, there was an average of 7,113,420 units of Tritanium per active account (counting tritanium on active accounts only).


Quote:
As of Sunday 13th May, there was an average of 6,797,379 units of Tritanium per active account.


If we assume there are 350,000 active accounts (I read that somewhere, no reference sorry), that means over 114 Billion units of Tritanium have entered the market in the past few weeks. That's a lot. And that's just Tritanium. As those stockpiles start being reabsorbed in the market, overall supply will go down and demand will continue as people want to replace their ships, so mineral prices will start climbing again.

So what am I getting at with all this? Goons aren't affecting EVE nearly as much as you think it is, people aren't leaving EVE in mass numbers as you suggest, the prices aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be, and CCP isn't going to do much, other than continue monitoring player activities. They'll only step in if things get really bad. And what we've seen lately isn't bad. In fact, it's really good, IMHO.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#35 - 2012-05-16 17:11:14 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Ban Bindy wrote:
Free market? Not so much, really. A real free market includes the ability of the market to influence conditions like the laws and regulations. Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. Laws and action against ganking, for one.

You might want to revise your definition of "free market". No matter the claims, the United States does not operate under a free market; there is plenty of regulation and governmental control to go around. EVE has no barrier for entry into the marketplace.

Also, what Micheal Dietrich said.

E: Ninja'd.


Indeed if you want to find a free market you DON'T trade in the USA.
Actually many like me who traded in the RL USA markets received letters from their brokers asking permission to move our accounts the hell away from the USA, and we all accepted.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#36 - 2012-05-16 17:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Indeed if you want to find a free market you DON'T trade in the USA.
Actually many like me who traded in the RL USA markets received letters from their brokers asking permission to move our accounts the hell away from the USA, and we all accepted.

Just FYI: I read what he posted and it sound like the U.S., so please excuse the (maybe) cryptic RL comparison.

Also, I live in the U.S. and every time I hear some dipshit go on about the free market here, I cringe.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-16 18:45:56 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


To the poster that had a couple of friends try EVE and quit, this has happened to me as well... in nearly every game I like and have recommended to someone. This is not unique to EVE, people have different tastes. Hulkageddon has little, if anything to do with it. New players are not even the main target of Hulkaggedon.

If they had been careless, gotten blown up by rats or can flipped, and quit saying it was stupid to not be able to freely do industry in High Sec I must assume you would be participating in a thread dedicated to the evils of can flippers and NPC spawns in general.


Aah, I would be the poster mentioned. They had that happen to them, but I did teach them starting industry. Can flips were recognized and easily avoided. I for one don't mind these tactics. That is what I consider the good part of the harshness of eve. Ninja salvagers, loot thieves, freighter ganks all of that. Also, yes eve is going. I was a supporter of burn Jita, awesome event, shook thinks up, bit of rawr and then gone.

Also the main target of hulkageddon, the civiebooster afk hulks that are full cargo expanders and mining upgrades. Cool, that is awesome, I taught other people how to safely and effectively mine. Use of secure cans, somebody in hauler (usually I volunteered for this when they wanted to do group mining) and the like. In the situation I mentioned, it was one had just gotten into a retriever, which fitting was very limited. Duration is the main thing I think, runs long that honest players get burned out. Sure eve is growing, but imagine the rate it would be growing with a better rep as a harsh universe, not a griefer one was all.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-05-16 18:50:59 UTC
Jessica Sweetwater wrote:
So like many i have been following this high sec Jihad, even taking part myself. My question to CCP is what is your responce?

High Sec mining drops by half
T1 Modules/Ships price has skyrocketed
Ore Prices have bascially not gone anywhere
Empire systems are becoming empty in some areas

Are you going to buff missions? To compensate for the high isk to buy a ship/fit it


Unless you're doing it horribly wrong, ship and fittings for missions should be a once off cost.
Tom Siddhartha
1st Star Freelancer Corporation
#39 - 2012-05-16 19:10:47 UTC
"edge of your seat reading!"


"I couldn't put it down!"
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-05-16 19:13:45 UTC
Jessica Sweetwater wrote:

Are you going to buff missions? To compensate for the high isk to buy a ship/fit it


I see a 10% cut in bounties incoming soon, though I doubt that's the answer you are looking for
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