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Carebear region (PVE only region)
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Michal Swiostek
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2012-05-16 03:53:26 UTC
I have and idea that might be only described as creating new game on the base of the current one.
Could we not remove all care bears to their own region where they couldn't fight each other at all, this would be not just restricted by concord but just impossible on game mechanics level.
Region would have a multitude of solar systems each with various difficulty level of NPC opponents.
There would be a connection with empire by stargate that would only allow pods through so that no risk systems would have their own economy and currency.
The interaction would be there in single universe as everyone could go from current region to that 'pve region' through the stargate or clone jump from one to another, but most importantly some of the things would only be available in one of them for example skill books would need to be bought for ISK, currency only available in PVP side of universe, the same could be applied to PLEX so that people would need to spend some amount of time in PVP even if they want to PVE only.

This would create bigger flexibility overall in-game so that current regions would be free of all people complaining about PVP, additionally we could improve game experience for current PVP community without affecting the group that want to sign out of this.

Another benefit is that change like this is pretty fail safe and adaptable, ie. if it spoils current game the gates can be shut down, if it comes out to be a hit you can always add some more content there and/or systems if they become to populated.

In all this very important would be not to mix the economy, separate currencies, separate factions/corps so that you can't gain standings in one to use in the other, but the same skills so that people experienced in one could always try the other.

There could be some way of maybe converting ISK earned into new currency, PVE market could be seeded with T1 items, and all the other items could be 'findable' only like in other MMOs.

No trolling please, constructive discussion...
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-16 04:11:57 UTC
Michal Swiostek wrote:
I have and idea that might be only described as creating new game on the base of the current one.
Could we not remove all care bears to their own region where they couldn't fight each other at all, this would be not just restricted by concord but just impossible on game mechanics level.
Region would have a multitude of solar systems each with various difficulty level of NPC opponents.
There would be a connection with empire by stargate that would only allow pods through so that no risk systems would have their own economy and currency.
The interaction would be there in single universe as everyone could go from current region to that 'pve region' through the stargate or clone jump from one to another, but most importantly some of the things would only be available in one of them for example skill books would need to be bought for ISK, currency only available in PVP side of universe, the same could be applied to PLEX so that people would need to spend some amount of time in PVP even if they want to PVE only.

This would create bigger flexibility overall in-game so that current regions would be free of all people complaining about PVP, additionally we could improve game experience for current PVP community without affecting the group that want to sign out of this.

Another benefit is that change like this is pretty fail safe and adaptable, ie. if it spoils current game the gates can be shut down, if it comes out to be a hit you can always add some more content there and/or systems if they become to populated.

In all this very important would be not to mix the economy, separate currencies, separate factions/corps so that you can't gain standings in one to use in the other, but the same skills so that people experienced in one could always try the other.

There could be some way of maybe converting ISK earned into new currency, PVE market could be seeded with T1 items, and all the other items could be 'findable' only like in other MMOs.

No trolling please, constructive discussion...


What you are asking to remove is the core of Eve Onine. The very foundation this game was built upon.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#3 - 2012-05-16 04:21:52 UTC
Michal Swiostek wrote:


No trolling please, constructive discussion...


Good luck with that.
DurpDurp
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#4 - 2012-05-16 04:29:02 UTC
Eat **** dickhead, this is a horrible idea.
Fras Siabi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-16 04:34:41 UTC
Just go play WoW or something. The last thing we need for Eve is a PVE region or something like that.

Not all who wander are lost, but most of them are complete idiots.
Kotorii
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-16 04:45:28 UTC
this pubbie wants a Dalaran...gtfo
Michal Swiostek
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-05-16 04:46:05 UTC
@Varesk - not asking to remove anything

@DurpDurp - and your point is?

@Fras Siabi - I would like to see something like this added to THIS game, so that more people could enjoy it, the way THEY like it, you get plenty of requests for changes to current system, but instead of these changes, we could move all thme people to their region, and we could fight everyone in current region, seriosuly, doesn't this sounds better?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2012-05-16 04:56:09 UTC
Please look up "Trammel server."

edit: NO.

How did you Veterans start?
tankus2
HeartVenom Inc.
#9 - 2012-05-16 05:07:17 UTC
I'll just say no to this, that is all.

Where the science gets done
Michal Swiostek
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-05-16 05:24:37 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Please look up "Trammel server."

edit: NO.


fair point, although, what I am suggesting is fundamentally different, as this wouldn't be a different server by only a region of space and interaction would be necessary for example to buy skills or PLEX as mentioned above.
The core of the design would be NOT to damage current economy/status of game but add an extra space for those who want it.

And as in trammel and other MMO case that might prove to be popular but unlike them, the core of the game should be the PVP community, as ultimately fighting NPC get boring and people would be forced to move to get more content.

@tankus2 - again your argument is?

@Kotorii - I don't play any other MMO currently, not planing to, and in first place, I would move to such a risk free region, I love the risk of PVP, and all that, just think this might be very good idea for the game, CCP and community

Come on has anyone got any more constructive comments?
Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-05-16 05:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Katie Frost
Michal Swiostek wrote:
just think this might be very good idea for the game, CCP and community


The community disagrees with you...

I'm sure that you have seen numerous topics pop up on this forum asking for completely safe high-sec, PvP arenas, no-PvP zones and so on...

You and those posters seem to fail to grasp one very simple and fundamental concept: that is not EVE.

You are challenging the philosophy behind the game and what makes this MMO fairly unique and non-mainstream. Start adding arenas, instances, no PvP zones and you start eating away at the fabric of EVE and what it stands for. There is therefore no critique for your proposal aside that it is not suited for this game (see themepark vs sandbox).
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-05-16 05:44:07 UTC
Michal Swiostek wrote:
No trolling please, constructive discussion...

Asking for PVE only regions isn't constructive discussion, ergo you've invalidated basically the entire thread.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Michal Swiostek
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2012-05-16 06:04:42 UTC
Quote:
The community disagrees with you...

I'm sure that you have seen numerous topics pop up on this forum asking for completely safe high-sec, PvP arenas, no-PvP zones and so on...

You and those posters seem to fail to grasp one very simple and fundamental concept: that is not EVE.

You are challenging the philosophy behind the game and what makes this MMO fairly unique and non-mainstream. Start adding arenas, instances, no PvP zones and you start eating away at the fabric of EVE and what it stands for. There is therefore no critique for your proposal aside that it is not suited for this game (see themepark vs sandbox).



the community produces similiar propositions all the time as you sy, so clearly there is no disagrement here?

I embrace the philospphy of EVE, but having something like this actually added might help it grow, and if done correcly might be a very good addition, first realy constructive comment here, were not doing bad 1 out of 10

@James Amril-Kesh - and your point is? this is an ideas forum am I right? or is it PVP ideas forum only? or your ideas forum only?
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#14 - 2012-05-16 06:24:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tchulen
Unfortunately, if you don't understand the reasons why your suggestion is a very very bad one EvE just simply isn't the game for you.

If you use the search function (yes, there is one, I checked it out recently) you'll find a few other threads like yours in which the response is almost universally negative.

The reason for this is that PvP is an underlying requirement for EvE to exist. The entire gaming system works on the cycle of life. Creation -> destruction -> demand -> creation -> destruction etc. To remove the (majority of) destruction (which making it purely PvE would do) means removing most of the creation which would turn it into nothing more than missioning and showing off your completely pointless epeen ships.

The reason that most people are pointing you to World of Warcraft is because from your post it seems like that game would be much better suited to you.

Unfortunately, EvE isn't a "fluffy hand-holding pink-pony" sort of game. It's harsh but it's more real than any other MMO out there. This doesn't suit some people because all they want is a pink pony and often they can't see why they shouldn't have their pink pony.

The reason they should be kept pink-ponyless is because it's in the best interests of the game and the majority of it's players. Oh, and it's the promoted standpoint of CCP, which the majority of the player base completely agree with.
Orzo Torasson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-05-16 06:34:08 UTC
If you don't like EVE Online, you don't like it. Go and play whatever it is that people like you enjoy, perhaps safely sitting quietly by yourself for a bit is more your style.

There's no "I don't like this game, so please change literally everything that makes this game what it is so that I may perhaps enjoy it."

Take your horrendous idea, and get out.
Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-16 07:17:51 UTC
Michal Swiostek wrote:
the community produces similiar propositions all the time as you sy, so clearly there is no disagrement here?


As you can see in this thread, there isn't a single person agreeing with you... and the amount of responders outweighs you as the OP... so, yes clearly there is disagreement here. The other topics followed the same trend. Feel free to search for them.

Michal Swiostek wrote:
I embrace the philospphy of EVE


Clearly you do not because what you are suggesting is contrary to it. This topic is not a matter of implementation of a new feature/mechanic that may or may not attract new players - you are fundamentally attacking the individual player's freedom in EVE (that is, to kill anyone, anywhere, anytime).
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-05-16 07:39:03 UTC
Yeah, dumb idea...but it does have merit...tinsy tiny little bit

1. OMG! Titan fleet! *pve flag on* Now you can't get your ass kicked in a sub cap fleet (bizzaro universe where Titans were not nerfed)
2. OMG! MOVE LEVEL 4 TO LOWSEC! *pve flag on* Well, you got people to lowsec...can't blow them up but..maybe hey are willing to buy goods from you to PVP on the market.
3. OMG! LEAVE MY HULK ALONE!!! *pve flag on* Off to lowsec the ganker goes...ya know...where you and him both want more people but suddenly they have less targets in one region of the universe....

But yeah...dumb...but think about it, if one can't fight a target that doesn't want to fight it would also mean you have to find someone who is actually willing to fight you...which could be more entertaining..and is definently less aggraviating Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2012-05-16 08:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Ok. Just to make it clear, in this region…

· You can obviously no longer lock any player ship.
· You can no longer activate any kind of AoE weaponry or module.
· You can no longer use the market, contracts or the trading window.
· You can no longer access or manage POSes and their services.
· You can no longer mine.
· You can no longer shoot rats.
· You can no longer open any kind of container in space.
· You can no longer use the on-board scanner or scan probes.
· You can no longer use salvagers.
· You can no longer access the industry interface.
· You can no longer access free-floating permanent sites in space.
· You can not import or export anything to or from the region (including ISK).

Also, you will probably not be allowed to log off in the region.
Deal?

If you want a PvE EVE, I suggest you take a month and only play on Sisi and see how you like it. For the record, it's thoroughly dull and pointless and you'll end up thinking you've wasted your money.
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-16 08:49:18 UTC
The OP is asking for a single player version of an MMO. Interesting. And funny.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#20 - 2012-05-16 09:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
Necessity of turning on damage control, invulnerability fields, armor plating during jumps in hi-sec make this game slightly more thrilling and it's good. Right now transportation in hi-sec is a little adventure and without danger of being popped it can become as annoying as griffin taxi in WoW.

No, thanks!

P.S. Try to join RvB or their alternatives - you might actually like PvP. You never know until you try ;)
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