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Most expensive kill baited by a Maller in EvE history

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2012-05-16 08:02:51 UTC
Tauranon wrote:

You are seriously having a giant forum whinge, and whole boatload of pointless adhominem about a pilot who actually fights with that stuff, and dropped a lot of nice loot. If someone aggresses an RVB member, then they have to be aware of RVB corp sizes, and they'd have to be aware how many was in local.


I guess he lost this 3.3bil Navy Mega also because of a "disconnect", and not being terrible?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13268748

When I was in Blues it was always the same story. The deccers are ridiculed and ingored, they might get a few kills from people who straggle to Jita for shopping, then someone in RvB takes notice, and the deccers get their expensive **** pushed back in by cheap T1 ships.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-05-16 08:19:41 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Roime wrote:
Tauranon wrote:

You are seriously having a giant forum whinge, and whole boatload of pointless adhominem about a pilot who actually fights with that stuff, and dropped a lot of nice loot. If someone aggresses an RVB member, then they have to be aware of RVB corp sizes, and they'd have to be aware how many was in local.


I guess he lost this 3.3bil Navy Mega also because of a "disconnect", and not being terrible?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13268748

When I was in Blues it was always the same story. The deccers are ridiculed and ingored, they might get a few kills from people who straggle to Jita for shopping, then someone in RvB takes notice, and the deccers get their expensive **** pushed back in by cheap T1 ships.


That kill is pretty dubious too. There's no possible way he only took 74k damage with that fit unless he had prior damage. With the lowest skills to still use that fit (for EHP boosting skills, namely mechanics, hull upgrades, shield management, and armor compensation) and the DCU II inactive and all of the enemy ships shooting explosive (lowest armor resist) I still get an EHP of over 100k.

So yeah, killmails need more context or fixed, depending on exactly how we arrived at this 74k number.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#23 - 2012-05-16 08:29:07 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

So yeah, killmails need more context or fixed, depending on exactly how we arrived at this 74k number.


it may or may not be the right number, but its not an unexpected number. The KM does not, and has never attempted to calculate effective hps - its always a raw figure, so it will always be significantly smaller than a buffer ships ehp.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#24 - 2012-05-16 08:29:25 UTC
Congrats, you killed a pimp fit navy domi in highsec, you all refit ecm and neuts to kill him.

If you hadent, your entire gang would be dead.

Stop trying to be good and pvp and leave that blob shitfest RvB crap
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-05-16 08:43:11 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Congrats, you killed a pimp fit navy domi in highsec, you all refit ecm and neuts to kill him.

If you hadent, your entire gang would be dead.

Stop trying to be good and pvp and leave that blob shitfest RvB crap


Isn't this what pvp is about? Adapting to the situation? Also: It is more likely that he logged instead of disconnected. Anyway, it's a nice kill.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-05-16 08:53:53 UTC
Ok, someone lost a ship for whatever reason.

OP should call random people in the phone book and tell them about this amazing story. Roll

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#27 - 2012-05-16 09:03:44 UTC
Roime wrote:
Tauranon wrote:

You are seriously having a giant forum whinge, and whole boatload of pointless adhominem about a pilot who actually fights with that stuff, and dropped a lot of nice loot. If someone aggresses an RVB member, then they have to be aware of RVB corp sizes, and they'd have to be aware how many was in local.


I guess he lost this 3.3bil Navy Mega also because of a "disconnect", and not being terrible?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13268748

When I was in Blues it was always the same story. The deccers are ridiculed and ingored, they might get a few kills from people who straggle to Jita for shopping, then someone in RvB takes notice, and the deccers get their expensive **** pushed back in by cheap T1 ships.



The guy engages. he got plenty of kills that nobody would bat an eyelid about, on ships that should have enough staying power to hold on for backup (ie his last kills are all proteus on pvp fit battlcruisers), and RvB has backup. he is flying gallente, and if nothing else, gallente is fun then you die terribly, and pimped gallente is more fun, then you die even more terribly.

Its not forum splerge material - especially for the second loss, where what went wrong was pretty obvious.
Azshann
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-05-16 09:20:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Roime wrote:
Tauranon wrote:

You are seriously having a giant forum whinge, and whole boatload of pointless adhominem about a pilot who actually fights with that stuff, and dropped a lot of nice loot. If someone aggresses an RVB member, then they have to be aware of RVB corp sizes, and they'd have to be aware how many was in local.


I guess he lost this 3.3bil Navy Mega also because of a "disconnect", and not being terrible?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13268748

When I was in Blues it was always the same story. The deccers are ridiculed and ingored, they might get a few kills from people who straggle to Jita for shopping, then someone in RvB takes notice, and the deccers get their expensive **** pushed back in by cheap T1 ships.


That kill is pretty dubious too. There's no possible way he only took 74k damage with that fit unless he had prior damage. With the lowest skills to still use that fit (for EHP boosting skills, namely mechanics, hull upgrades, shield management, and armor compensation) and the DCU II inactive and all of the enemy ships shooting explosive (lowest armor resist) I still get an EHP of over 100k.

So yeah, killmails need more context or fixed, depending on exactly how we arrived at this 74k number.


1) EHP =/= HP. You can have 1 billion EHP but at the end of the day the total you take (without reps) is equal to your total Shields + Armor + Hull + (minor amount of shield regen). This means his total shield/armor/hull added to around 74,000. When you factor in resists the HP becomes "buffed" to the EHP number, telling you how long on a fixed DPS it would take to kill him.

2) Everything except the damage control is passive, therefore if he was really afk/dc'ed for that kill it wouldn't have made that much a difference.

3) There's a good chance that you are his main defending him since you're from RAZOR, the oldest alliance in EvE.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2012-05-16 09:24:17 UTC
Tauranon wrote:

The guy engages. he got plenty of kills that nobody would bat an eyelid about, on ships that should have enough staying power to hold on for backup (ie his last kills are all proteus on pvp fit battlcruisers), and RvB has backup. he is flying gallente, and if nothing else, gallente is fun then you die terribly, and pimped gallente is more fun, then you die even more terribly.

Its not forum splerge material - especially for the second loss, where what went wrong was pretty obvious.


Ok I take my harshness back a bit, those Myrm kills in Proteus look like they might have been good fights.

Also solo is solo, so props for that. Next step is to get out of hisec Cool

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-16 09:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Azshann wrote:
1) EHP =/= HP. You can have 1 billion EHP but at the end of the day the total you take (without reps) is equal to your total Shields + Armor + Hull + (minor amount of shield regen). This means his total shield/armor/hull added to around 74,000. When you factor in resists the HP becomes "buffed" to the EHP number, telling you how long on a fixed DPS it would take to kill him.

Yeah, I realize the difference now but not just because of what you're saying, but because the damage done by the ships already factored in resists

Azshann wrote:
2) Everything except the damage control is passive, therefore if he was really afk/dc'ed for that kill it wouldn't have made that much a difference.

I realize that.

Azshann wrote:
3) There's a good chance that you are his main defending him since you're from RAZOR, the oldest alliance in EvE.

Yeah, I don't quite follow this logic, but whatever. RAZOR may be old with respect to EVE, but I'm not.
I'm also not defending him. If he's truly dumb enough to go AFK repeatedly in ships like this then yeah, he's stupid and deserves every loss he gets. It's just odd to me that he'll PVP fit a faction battleship with dual cap boosters and then die (but not by alpha) without ever using them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Perihelion Olenard
#31 - 2012-05-16 11:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
So, it looks like this guy has the ability to look up fits for ships and likes to throw isk away using absurdly expensive modules. Too bad he doesn't know how to use them. And why doesn't he use a vindicator instead of a navy megathron? He clearly has the isk for it.
Adeena Torcfist
Right Hand Of The Legion.
Get Off My Lawn
#32 - 2012-05-16 13:01:22 UTC
what i find even more disturbing, is, how it take 12 ships or more, to kill just one.

& there was me, reading the title, & i thought a maller killed it solo by capping it out.

Nobody solo these days or what? What?
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#33 - 2012-05-16 13:12:40 UTC
Adeena Torcfist wrote:
what i find even more disturbing, is, how it take 12 ships or more, to kill just one.


Yes it is quite disturbing that it takes a bunch of frigs and cruisers to kill fully deadspace/faction fitted navy battleship that is worth nearly 6 billions.Shocked
Alara IonStorm
#34 - 2012-05-16 14:02:58 UTC
Adeena Torcfist wrote:
what i find even more disturbing, is, how it take 12 ships or more, to kill just one.

You forgot to add before the undock timer.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#35 - 2012-05-16 14:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
Allow me to add some proof that this probably was a disco. Take a T2 fitted but similarly active-tanked Navy Domi, and run it until non-navy cap charges run out:

http://test.true-sansha.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=89014
Quote:
Total Damage Taken: 234,487

That's a ~3400 tank assuming max use of heat, which iirc that was. And a 100k EHP buffer.
Oak's could be 6000+ tanked with links & implants just heating the reppers and no struggle for cap with any active-tank-piloting experience. Each cap charge can cycle both reppers + run tank mods.

6k dps is close to what this gang would put out. Any use of reppers should result in more damage taken showing up.

Not that his fit wasn't somewhat off, with 2 PG rigs, small guns and questionable DC2 vs EANM choice (better resists, but giving up the Navy ship's built-in hull bonus).

Possibly they panicked and forgot to inject cap while running their own neuts, or tried to bait-tank too low with no hull buffer, or distractions with their link alt, leading to just the ~EHP buffer being counted, but a disco is also very likely.

Remember kids, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Shpenat
Ironman Inc.
Transgress
#36 - 2012-05-16 15:13:52 UTC
That dominix kill is either disconnection, AFK, or completely moron pilot.

He has pretty much full cargohold of cap charges, and both cap boosters fully loaded. The only thing neuts can do to this setup is to make it burn cap charges fast. Until they ran out neuts have little effect. Same for ECM against drone boat. Drones will agress regardless whether the ship is ECMd or not.

Also the damage taken tells me that he did not activate his reppers. Navy dominix has around 35k HP by itself. And the showed ships have not enough alpha nor DPS to kill it fast enough.


On the other hand the megathron is pretty much plausible. It is passive fit with only large drones (and ECM drones) in the bay. When ECMd it has no way of defending itself against those small ships.

In both cases, congrats to the juicy kill.
Thorin Quinn
Knights of Tempus
#37 - 2012-05-16 15:34:25 UTC
Not bad for the first fleet i ever really lead! Everyone did a great job of reshipping and getting nuets on. To bad he took shots at my thrasher and i had to leave the area What?
Saladinae
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2012-05-16 18:10:50 UTC
Shpenat wrote:
That dominix kill is either disconnection, AFK, or completely moron pilot.

He has pretty much full cargohold of cap charges, and both cap boosters fully loaded. The only thing neuts can do to this setup is to make it burn cap charges fast. Until they ran out neuts have little effect. Same for ECM against drone boat. Drones will agress regardless whether the ship is ECMd or not.

Also the damage taken tells me that he did not activate his reppers. Navy dominix has around 35k HP by itself. And the showed ships have not enough alpha nor DPS to kill it fast enough.


On the other hand the megathron is pretty much plausible. It is passive fit with only large drones (and ECM drones) in the bay. When ECMd it has no way of defending itself against those small ships.

In both cases, congrats to the juicy kill.


His drones were agressed on my brick fit maller the whole time.

Winmatar > Everything else
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-05-16 18:16:44 UTC
I can believe it. The guy got caught and logged :).
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#40 - 2012-05-16 20:03:12 UTC
You shouldn't have fitted ECM, it's just begging the guy to disengage and dock. TDs are better.