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Zalasastra
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-05-17 21:37:48 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
That's because he doesn't have a face, and faceless people never know what the hell they are talking about.



is that supposed to insult me or remind me of what i thought an insult was when i was 2?
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#82 - 2012-05-17 21:55:27 UTC
Ila Gant wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Arcticblue2 wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Say after me... "S-A-N-D-B-O-X".


Does it say in that word that I have to play YOUR game ? can I play the way I like it ? I honestly tought that since the game does have 3 type of space it also implyed that you could play many different playstyle...


I try it again, this time in mirror, "X-O-B-D-N-A-S".

Just curious, which sandbox did you play in when you were a kid that the other kids got to hit you on the head with their shovels? Not saying it might not have been fun for the shovel-wielders, but it would make for a crappy sandbox.

Perhaps a new metaphor would be in order.


Well, the sandbox is still a pretty good analogy. Even though people come to the sandbox to build castles, there are always those who want to play T-REX and chase the little girls who are building said castles, trampling everything in their way.

The cool little girls play along and build new castles, or start throwing sand back. The booring ones just run to mommy.

The beating people with shovels you describe is what I would compare to LEET HAXORING the game which is a bannable offence.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#83 - 2012-05-17 22:05:00 UTC
Zalasastra wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
That's because he doesn't have a face, and faceless people never know what the hell they are talking about.



is that supposed to insult me or remind me of what i thought an insult was when i was 2?



mememememememememememe Cry moar faceless nub

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#84 - 2012-05-17 22:21:30 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Say after me... "S-A-N-D-B-O-X".


Unfortunately this is not the case.

Gaming is about doing rewarding "stuff", if gaming becomes a sort of synonymous of fail, loss and frustration, then there's a serious problem with that game or concept of gaming.

What satisfaction can you take out of 1 or 2 hours playing in some environment where as an individual all you can do is tank all the pettiness and the sadistic pleasure of a large par t of players? - tell me you're a fool Blink

Actually as an individual you have as much impact in the game as the lovely paladin killing lich king or whatever big boss for it's 1000 time.

brb
Shian Yang
#85 - 2012-05-17 22:30:23 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
What satisfaction can you take out of 1 or 2 hours playing in some environment where as an individual all you can do is tank all the pettiness and the sadistic pleasure of a large par t of players? - tell me you're a fool Blink


Greetings capsuleer,

I take great pleasure in having the skill to fit a ship reasonably. I take great pleasure in the thrill of being hunted or even being the hunter. And knowing that my skill at piloting my vessel saved the life of both myself and my crew is incredibly satisfying.

But knowing that I outwitted a fool that thought I was going to be easy meat, that I either escaped or were able to turn the tables on him ...

Priceless. It is utterly priceless. I suppose this all depends on attitude though. If you look at a challenge as an obstacle you will feel as you do.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-05-17 22:52:10 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
What satisfaction can you take out of 1 or 2 hours playing in some environment where as an individual all you can do is tank all the pettiness and the sadistic pleasure of a large par t of players? - tell me you're a fool Blink


Greetings capsuleer,

I take great pleasure in having the skill to fit a ship reasonably. I take great pleasure in the thrill of being hunted or even being the hunter. And knowing that my skill at piloting my vessel saved the life of both myself and my crew is incredibly satisfying.

But knowing that I outwitted a fool that thought I was going to be easy meat, that I either escaped or were able to turn the tables on him ...

Priceless. It is utterly priceless. I suppose this all depends on attitude though. If you look at a challenge as an obstacle you will feel as you do.

Regards,

Shian Yang


Nice answer, thank you.

However:
- get your hulk gank because there's not much you can do (if nothing) is not a challenge, it's an undeniable obstacle.

And this is just an example of many others. This being said, I don't mine any more since I've learned the lesson that guns mine far better and safely than an hulk.

ATM my fun is to join fleets to kick out entire alliances of their own space. How much challenging you think this might be?

brb
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#87 - 2012-05-17 23:03:32 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
ATM my fun is to join fleets to kick out entire alliances of their own space. How much challenging you think this might be?

Depends on which alliance you are thinking of.

Perhaps the ones in Providence?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-05-17 23:08:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
ATM my fun is to join fleets to kick out entire alliances of their own space. How much challenging you think this might be?

Depends on which alliance you are thinking of.

Perhaps the ones in Providence?


Pssst it's a secret. Lol

brb
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#89 - 2012-05-17 23:39:49 UTC
Before I even read it;

Open letter to CCP? How 2007

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Faygo Moxie
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-05-17 23:43:37 UTC
Arcticblue2 wrote:
I have been playing this game since 2004 and have always been a industrialist, I run missions when I'm bored of mining or producing stuff that others buy and blow up, this is how I like to play this game and I used to be a anti-pirate too when I found groups but to be honest that part of my gamestyle have now been gone for a long time.
I like EVE-Online and I enjoy the thrill of going through low sec or 0.0 knowing that I can get my ship blown up anytime ... it's that part of the game I like over other games for example.

However it's been a growing part of the game that low-sec and 0.0 players seems to not get enough players to their space now and I don't know they find too few "easy" targets maybe ? anyway these players seems to have taken their task to tell me that I play this game wrong, and it is their right to tell me that I have to play this game their way or not at all...
Can CCP accept that ?, and why do CCP accept that at all ?, is my money not just as good as low-sec and 0.0 players ?
Lets face it, you can't force players to low-sec or 0.0, most likly they will just quit the game and for me that's one of the choises I might do, I already does not play this game as much as I did back in 2004 and up to the T20 scandal and if CCP let the low-sec and 0.0 players dictate how I am going to spend my money to play their game then I just leave my 2 accounts here and find me a another game where I can play the game as I want to.

Don't take this the wrong way I like that you are not safe anywhere not even in High sec, but I am getting pretty tired of reading on the forum where low-sec and 0.0 players trying to tell me how I am going to play this game.
You won't manage to force non-pvp players to low-sec and 0.0 if they don't want to play that type of game ... then you loose customers.


thats a lotta likes
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#91 - 2012-05-17 23:56:05 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Arcticblue2 wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Say after me... "S-A-N-D-B-O-X".


Does it say in that word that I have to play YOUR game ? can I play the way I like it ? I honestly tought that since the game does have 3 type of space it also implyed that you could play many different playstyle...


I think that the point he is trying ot make is that while they have every right to tell you that you are playing the game wrong, you have every right to tell them the same thing.

Quitting because someone voices their opinion, while they continue enjoying playing the way they prefer, only tells them that they were right all along.


Yeah but staying in the game and being nothing but a victim doesnt change the game either.
As we saw this summer the way to change is hurt the wallet

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2012-05-18 02:00:13 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
ATM my fun is to join fleets to kick out entire alliances of their own space. How much challenging you think this might be?

Depends on which alliance you are thinking of.

Perhaps the ones in Providence?

Pssst it's a secret. Lol

They'll know when you reinforce their POSes.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Shian Yang
#93 - 2012-05-18 07:04:25 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

- get your hulk gank because there's not much you can do (if nothing) is not a challenge, it's an undeniable obstacle.


Greetings capsuleer,

There is a lot an enterprising capsuleer can do, but it does require the breaking of some bad habits and learning some of the golden rules of New Eden. This also provides some useful information and whilst it will not teach a pilot to fit a Hulk properly it does explain how paranoia, the use of D-Scan, safe spots and a number of tools that every capsuleer should have and use.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2012-05-18 08:39:45 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Greetings capsuleer,

There is a lot an enterprising capsuleer can do, but it does require the breaking of some bad habits and learning some of the golden rules of New Eden. This also provides some useful information and whilst it will not teach a pilot to fit a Hulk properly it does explain how paranoia, the use of D-Scan, safe spots and a number of tools that every capsuleer should have and use.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Dear information giver,

I noticed
Quote:
The bait and blobber

MO: Pretends to be a solist, but the moment you engage him 3,412 of his friends materialize out of nowhere and vaporize you faster than you can say "OH SHI...!"

Tips: After he gets you the first time, set him and his corp red and don't engage them ever unless you're prepared to deal with the hornet's nest. If you don't take the bait, they'll generally ignore you, barring easy ganks, of course.

Which reminded me of a certain FC who spams the hell out of his Summon Fleet ability.

If you ever see him, run away immediately.


Sitting on a gate,

~Ala

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#95 - 2012-05-18 08:43:53 UTC
Sorry OP but I just cant see how low and nullsec players are telling anyone how to play the game? I see everyone playing just how they want to, yeah plenty of folks moaning about being exploded but I dont see anyone telling you how you have to play.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#96 - 2012-05-18 09:00:46 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
ATM my fun is to join fleets to kick out entire alliances of their own space. How much challenging you think this might be?

Depends on which alliance you are thinking of.

Perhaps the ones in Providence?


Pssst it's a secret. Lol


The invasion plans of the Great Caldari state are an important secret to keep. So important that they cannot be revealed by acting upon them, amirite?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2012-05-18 16:31:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
ATM my fun is to join fleets to kick out entire alliances of their own space. How much challenging you think this might be?

Depends on which alliance you are thinking of.

Perhaps the ones in Providence?

Pssst it's a secret. Lol

The invasion plans of the Great Caldari state are an important secret to keep. So important that they cannot be revealed by acting upon them, amirite?

ur rite m8

Oh well, it happens. Sometimes, you didn't want that invasion anyway.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-05-18 16:43:51 UTC
If anything these kind of threads inspire more people like me to blow up more miners and indies. So keep posting, your the gift that keeps on giving.

Empyrean Warriors - Recruiting now.
veritas primus
Kat 5 Kaos
#99 - 2012-05-18 17:37:49 UTC
"SANDBOX" is just an excuse for mouth breathers to be griefers in Eve.

I've seen it since I started back in 2004. I've played pretty much all facets in Eve over the years on multiple accounts, from industrialist to mission runner, to pvp, to pirating, and building infrastructure and living in 0.0.

Not once in my many travels and experiences have I tried to justify my actions as "Well I'm doing this to you because you're doing it wrong", or "I'm freeing you from the bonds of mining slavery by blowing up your ship".

If I killed someone I did because you were next in line, you were not welcome in my home, or I did it because I hated you. I didn't hide behind the fact or fabricate some dilusional B.S. justification for my actions like the newer generations in Eve.

If you want to play the pirate play the Pirate, if you want to grief then grief, but don't come here vomiting cheap justificaitons to do these things.

Noone likes to be told they are playing the game wrong, when everyone here is playing the game right. They are playing the game that they want to play, and that is truely the "Sandbox" vision in my opinion.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#100 - 2012-05-18 17:42:28 UTC
veritas primus wrote:

Noone likes to be told they are playing the game wrong, when everyone here is playing the game right. They are playing the game that they want to play, and that is truely the "Sandbox" vision in my opinion.

sorry but you're playing the game wrong