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Derath Ellecon

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#21 - 2012-05-16 22:43:51 UTC

Kaldeer wrote:

Thx all for reply, much appreciate.
Will try speed tanking with AB. And about shield tank ishtar, I heard its very good but for high sec I prefer armor tanking due fitting analyzer/codebreaker (runing also mag/radar sites, not only combat).

And one more question, what new mods for Proteus? Any link for this news? Someday (someday = few mln SP more Big smile

) I wanna fly t3 for exploration and everyone was saying Tengu >>>>>>>>> rest t3 for PvE.
The problem is, 41 days to be able "use" tengu (not really fly) vs 9 days Proteus.

There isn't a new mod for the proteus. They are talking about the new drone damage mod. It's just that the proteus has extra low slots to fit it better.

You can actually make a decent exploration proteus. Is it better than a tengu? There is no perfect answer. You can make a proteus with almost the same drone capabilities of an Ishtar (4 heavies or sentries vs 5) and better tank. Since you still focus on drones for damage you can fit all the utility of an all I one ship. A tengu still relies on its high slots for damage and mids for tank.

As with all t3 ships however, IMO you want to max out your core skills first. It seems you kind of rushed the Ishtar, so I would focus on making it awesome first. T2 heavies and sentries. High navigation skills (for speed tanking). High fitting skills and armor tank skills.

Tomcio FromFarAway

Singularity's Edge

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#22 - 2012-05-17 07:01:02 UTC

What Derath said.

Although drone Proteus possesses huge potential for an exploration vessel it is also lacking in drone dps department. That is because it can't field 5th heavy/sentry drone. Introduction of DDA'a ( Drone Damage Amplifiers ) means that Proteus can now fit 3 of those and achieve even more drone dps than Ishtar can now ( Ishtar is considered to be one of the best exploration boats ).

Ishtar
Ogres : 475
Gardes : 450 ( 538 with 2xsentry damage rigs )

Proteus (now)
Ogres : 380
Gardes : 360

Proteus (with 3x DDA's)
Ogres : 580
Gardes : 550

Of course you could fit those mods on Ishtar making it even stronger ( approximately 700-750 dps drone damage ) but it will be very problematic to do so because of fitting and tanking issues. You won't be able to utilize those mods to full extent in sentry fit because you will need to use omnis and there is no room for tank left.

Fitting those mods on Proteus will not gimp your tank that much. You should also use blasters, which will provide additional 225 dps for total of ~800dps. You are able to apply your blaster damage quite efficiently because of good tanking and mwd speed. Of course blasters are meant to be used mainly against battleships.
Your typical exploration Tengu get around 700dps using 6 HML's. It is easier to use and slightly more effective but it isn't : "way better" than Proeteus with those mods.

Taking everything into consideration - Proteus ( with DDA's ) is superior to Ishtar in every aspect ( excpet the price of course Lol

) and it's quite close to current Tengu.

Fit like this will become very viable for low/null exploration :

[Proteus, SISI ProtDrones]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 10MN MicroWarpdrive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Drone Navigation Computer II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Deep Space Scanner Probe I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Ogre II x4
Warden II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

Just switch navcom for omni and you get very good sentry boat.

If you want to use cruiser sized drone boats then training for Proteus is a good choice in Inferno. But what Derath said - you need to train core skills + subsystems to at least 4 ( getting level 5 is a must in the long run, at least for offensive/defensive systems ).

Alticus C Bear

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#23 - 2012-05-17 09:52:27 UTC

The above fit is almost exactly how I fit mine on the test server, perhaps even over tanked, could swap the EANM for another damage mod.

I also put together this sentry fit. 553DPS at 52km plus the rails. Even gets almost 700dps total damage using spike at decent range, when the salvage drones come along the drone Proteus will have really good utility.

[Proteus, Drone Sentry Proteus]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Reactive Armor Hardener I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Small Tractor Beam II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Drone Link Augmentor II
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x4
Garde II x2

Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel 4,407
Roime Mea Culpa. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 4,407	#24 - 2012-05-17 11:01:03 UTC Good stuff, guys Have you tested the new Armor Adaptive Hardener on SiSi? .

Alticus C Bear

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#25 - 2012-05-17 12:44:20 UTC

It’s is an interesting idea, not sure yet though, the fit above I tested in a serpentis level 4 the reactive hardener changed to 30/30 kin/therm (from 15% omni, and is active so not affected by skills, not even the bonus active hardeners get when offline) gradually over a couple of minutes, it stays set at that level unless switched of so you should be set for the remaining pockets.

This makes it better than an EANM against two damage types only. It allegedly changes to 60 against single damage type but I have not seen this, not tested it against sleepers yet and want to test it against angels, I hope it changes to max exp damage resistance but suspect it may end up at 30/30 exp/kin, Not sure.

Dustpuppy

New Eden Ferengi

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#26 - 2012-05-21 17:14:58 UTC | Edited by: Dustpuppy

Hi,
jut came across this thread with the same background - the new plating, drone dmg modifier etc. Will be interesting, because i also fly an armor tanked Ishtar in Angel space. Have done a 7/10 in it.

Here is my fitting:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60233-Ishtar-Angel-updated.html

I might also try to exchange one Omni tracking link and use a sensor booster. My drones kill at >100km distance, so I am not sure what´s better - tracking or more targeting range.

I also use this ship as guardian for a short range ship (HAM legion). Just keep 80km range and tell the drones to assist.

Puppy