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Level 4 Missions- enough money to survive?

Francis Kantor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-16 01:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Francis Kantor
I just wanted to know can level 4 mission running be enough to sustain enough money to buy a PLEX each month? or 400m a month? i have approx. 100 days left out of 200 or so. i was wondering if i can be able to start running level 4 missions and start paying with PLEX. i really do enjoy the game, and i would still love playing with cash, but what would be the point if you can pay while playing. Corp members and friends said that you can get 20-30m an hour. To be honest, that doesn't mean alot.

ArrowCurrently training for a Raven fit.
*Just need Shield Boost Amplifier to train and Cruise Missile Launcher II.
Arrow Also i am doing missions for Caldari Navy.... good idea?
ArrowI might start to train for a Golem or a Navy Raven.
ArrowAlso after i get many Engineering skills and Missiles skills, i will start doing Incursions.
* I heard Incursions pay a whole lot. I'm sure you need advanced skills for Incursions and a experienced pilot.
* I am not much of a "experienced pilot", you can say I am a newbie, but i have much more skills and better experience than
a newbie.

Can someone give me advice, and some directions on which way i should go? Thanks and I will be looking forward to the comments.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-09-16 02:13:13 UTC
a decent pilot can run a lvl 4 mission pretty fast, some missions give u 10-20mil in bounties and reward, not to mention LP.
every 16 missions u get a storyline which can give u even more isk or good implants which are valuable.

if you loot missions sometimes u can get good stuff, but most people ignore loot because its faster to just run the next mission

if you run 5 missions a day you can make enough for a plex in like a week the rest goes to whatever u wanna do.
Francis Kantor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-09-16 02:22:19 UTC
so salvaging and looting isn't really worth it? i have been looting and salvaging every level 3s. i haven't yet sold any of them. i can do like 2 and max 3 level 3 missions a day. If i don't have school work, i usually do about 3-4. Also i heard epic arc are a good source of i ISK. i tried to get a level 4 mission for Caldari, but it said i had 0.0 standing, do you need to do the epic arcs form sisters?
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2011-09-16 03:14:56 UTC
A good way to look at paying for PLEX is that you need to be making 15M a day before expenses (like new ships and such). If you're running lvl 4 missions well it shouldn't be too hard (I ran two lvl 4 missions last night and got about 20M in 2h or so, and I was going pretty slow).
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
#5 - 2011-09-16 04:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Baljos Arnjak
Francis Kantor wrote:
so salvaging and looting isn't really worth it?

Depends on how much isk you get for LP and how you run your missions. If you blitz missions and sell items with high isk/LP payouts, then looting / salvaging isn't worth it. Otherwise, if you're not getting good isk/LP or not getting much LP, looting can be worth it.

There are a couple of other things that can help you raise funds too.

PI - Not too skill intensive and doesn't require a lot of time if you use one or two week extraction cycles. Good for maybe 50mil a month depending on how many planets you use, what you're making, and what prices are doing.

Datacore farming - Requires some training and standing with certain corps, but this is one of those things you can passively let pile up and cash out when you want the isk.

Courier Missions - Get in a hauler, get mission, set auto pilot, work on homework until you hear "Destination Reached", dock, complete mission, rinse / repeat.
POS Party
Ember Sands
#6 - 2011-09-16 04:35:46 UTC
Yeah you can easily make enough for a plex each month but it doesn't leave you with a lot of extra isk. I'm lazy so I just pay the sub fees and waste my isk on ship spinning.
The Branded Few
#7 - 2011-09-16 05:24:41 UTC
Dependant on how much time you currently invest to eve, it is rather easy to clear a billion isk per week in lvl 4 missions ( with marauder clearing as you go) I'm sure this will be the lower end of the scale for those that can put in more time. Lvl 4s can sustain 2 accounts easily with enough time spare for pew pew and replacement ships.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#8 - 2011-09-16 05:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Rinn
Pick the agent you mission for by checking out the NPC corp LP stores first. Determine which items represent the highest ISK/LP value, then pick the appropriate cluster of agents to work for. You can get by with one agent if you are willing to give up running missions when you get two reject missions in a row.

And for other inspiration, there's the Making ISK guide on the EVElopedia!
Lucifer's Hammer
A Band Apart.
#9 - 2011-09-16 06:12:54 UTC
You should easily be able to reach your goal of paying with PLEX, and have plenty of cash left over each month for new ships/skillbooks if you set yourself a minimum ISK goal per day. Figure 400m ISK per month and you have your goal to reach per day. If you have more playtime after reaching your goal, then you've earned yourself a slack day, or some pocket money to splash out. Whatever is sustainable and still fun for you, will work fine.

I try to do the same, but I always get distracted by WHs to raid instead of just grinding my missions. =)
#10 - 2011-09-16 07:45:07 UTC
You'll make 10mil-20mil isk per hour in raw isk. You'll probably be closer to the 10mil mark to start off with, but if you eventually get into a high DPS ship (Tengu, Raven, Mach, etc.) you can pump it up to 20mil and maybe more. But this 10 mil means no loot, no salvage, not counting your LP, etc. Comparing your lowest income, 10mil isk per hour, to a Plex's high value, 400mil, you must run 40hours of missions in order to pay for your monthly subscription. This works out to about 1.3 hours per day, or 5 hours a day if you only play 2 days a week (perhaps only on Saturdays and Sundays.)

If you want to calculate in LP, loot, and/or salvage, you then need to factor in your ability to sell things. If you aren't a decent salesman and/or you don't understand the market in EvE, you won't get the maximum return for your LP. You should still be able to get at least 1000 isk per LP even if you have no idea what you're doing. If you're good, you can probably swing 2k-3k. I've heard of 5k items, but the best I've found have only been 4.5k isk per LP.

With that said, you can easily make enough isk "to survive" running missions provided you put enough effort hours into it.
Wu Spacey
Spacey Assignments
#11 - 2011-09-16 18:15:24 UTC
Paying for game time with isk, is ultimately a no-brainer as things stand atm, but one thing I would add to the good advice above is dont stop paying cash to early. Get 2 billion together or something and then pay 3 months in advance, and then start lpexxing your sub from there. This is a game, you dont want to feel it is a job and get to the end of the month thinking, damn, i dont feel like Eve, but I have to to keep my char skilling, so here I go grinding. Thats no fun. As people have said above, a plex is nothing eventually, but if you are agreeable paying the subs, do that so it doesnt turn a game into a chore, in the earlier stages.
AFKCloaked AltSpy
#12 - 2011-09-16 18:28:13 UTC
@ 1000 isk/LP conversion, you can make 30-125 mil an hour running missions.

Some people say to rush, some people say to loot and salvage.

The truth is, you should be able to do both. Rush the rushable missions and kill/salvage/loot the big ones.

You can easily pay for 1 account + ships by running 1 hour of level 4's a day.
Flakey Foont
#13 - 2011-09-16 20:35:25 UTC
If you're not a shopaholic level 4s will do nicely.
Bunface Musgrove
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-09-16 21:35:29 UTC
How long does it take to reach level 4 missions from the starting level 1s? I'm playing this game with the aim of being able to finance myself, but my corp status is static - stuck at 0.62, and my station status is gradually crawling up.
Francis Kantor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-09-16 22:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Francis Kantor
Bunface Musgrove wrote:
How long does it take to reach level 4 missions from the starting level 1s? I'm playing this game with the aim of being able to finance myself, but my corp status is static - stuck at 0.62, and my station status is gradually crawling up.

It didn't take me long to get to level 4s. For me training for a good fit raven is longer than getting to a level 4 mission.
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-09-16 22:36:20 UTC
Getting to level 4 Agents takes about 3 days, grinding 4-5 hours every day. Makre sure you use a good ship for each particular mission level/type (Kestrel if you're Caldari for level 1s, for example).
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-09-16 23:05:26 UTC
You can farm Enemies Abound 3/5 + 5/5 if you have more than one agent around.

Both are worth ~30 million and doable in 30 minutes. (including salvaging with an alt while clearing)
This way, you can farm missions on weekends/after school to get 2-3 Enemies Abound missions from different agents.

You can farm any of the missions 7 times if you leave the mission completition trigger intact before completing the missions.
Don't know if 60mil/hour is worth the standing loss for you, but you can do it with basically every high payout mission. (Blockade/WWC prefered due to possible faction spawns)

Anyway, you can sustain 2 accounts through lv4's with 2-3 missions a day easily. I would recommend to loot/salvage, cause you can do it on the fly with an alt, without time loss + you don't have to rely that much on high ISK/LP ratios.
Vai Tanis
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2011-09-16 23:21:39 UTC
Whether salvaging is worth it also depends on the ships you're blowing up. Serpentis aren't worth the bother, I've never missioned in Caldari space but I hear Guristas are the same. Blood Raiders, on the other hand, can net you a good number of armour plates selling for around 160k each from a Lvl 4 mission.

If you're going to run missions with a Raven you'll find it goes a lot faster with Rigor rigs and the target sig radius skill as high as possible, or an elite frigate can take longer to destroy than a battleship. T2 light drones are also very good for tearing through frigates quickly. The faster you get the mission done the more money you bring in.
Flakey Foont
#19 - 2011-09-17 00:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
Don't forget to train "Connections" to at least 3
Dustin Roac
#20 - 2011-09-17 08:18:54 UTC
Level 4's will be more than sustainable for plexes each month, regardless if you go the LP blitz route or loot/salvage.

This char sustains plexes for two accounts just running level 3's, however that is from loot and salvage, the LP gain isn't too super in 3's
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