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Black Ops Represent?!
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Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-15 10:42:43 UTC
I find that the advantages of any of the black ops bs depends on the role; when using it as a mini JF or a WH based raid supporter, the Sin is king (having the lowest unmodified mass with good slot layout).

As far as the dedicated bridger I would lean harder towards the Panther or Redeemer, they have better fuel economy (current cost of fuels over caldari and gallente isotopes) and pretty decent cargoholds. Cap recharge time isn't super important as long as it can recover for another jump in 45 seconds (roughly the time it takes to jump in, activate bridge, recover hotdrop fleet, and jump back). Best part about it is that it doesn't require cap boosters to operate. Plus the Panther gets bonuses to Projectiles.

In both the roles above the Widow has no place due to the cost of caldari fuel and the slot limitations.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#22 - 2012-05-15 10:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobiaz
I don't see why CCP can't just allow the Black Ops to use cov-ops cloaks (if that is the case). It's one of the most expensive non-cap ships, that can't do risk-free bombing runs like a SB, nor is it nimble enough to respond quickly to new threats. If it gets jumped in return, it's probably only moments away from becoming a very hefty lossmail.

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#23 - 2012-05-15 11:44:03 UTC
I've been using black ops a lot recently and they have 2 big problems:

#1. Their limited jump / bridge range.

#2. Their tiny fuel holds when used in a bridging role.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-05-15 11:47:36 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
#2. Their tiny fuel holds when used in a bridging role.

this would be a problem - if they couldn't bridge blockade runners

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Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-15 11:57:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

[Sin, A USEFUL SIN]
...

Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I

...


Why does it have 4x MWD?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#26 - 2012-05-15 12:27:16 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
#2. Their tiny fuel holds when used in a bridging role.

this would be a problem - if they couldn't bridge blockade runners


Indeed, and it's something we have had to do in the past, but there are a couple of issues with it.

First, jumping the blockade runner itself consumes more fuel, but secondly, and more importantly, it relegates someone in fleet to a dull out-of-engagement role. That's fine when you're cloaky haulers are going to be deploying POS towers in enemy systems and what-not, but to just sit there holding fuel, cloaked up, not so much.

Having a 2500 m3 fuel hold (minimum) would be far more fitting for Black Ops IMO.
Ryoko Matsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-05-15 12:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryoko Matsu
Cebraio wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

[Sin, A USEFUL SIN]
...

Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I

...


Why does it have 4x MWD?


to lower the cap, so that the cap can be faster filled up with the cap-boostersShocked
(at first i hadn´t a clue either...but after thinking fo a while -> *ping*)

edith says:
btw a very good use of "game-mechanics" Big smile
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-05-15 12:40:48 UTC
Ryoko Matsu wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

[Sin, A USEFUL SIN]
...

Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I

...


Why does it have 4x MWD?


to lower the cap, so that the cap can be faster filled up with the cap-boostersShocked
(at first i hadn´t a clue either...but after thinking fo a while -> *ping*)

edith says:
btw a very good use of "game-mechanics" Big smile


Thanks for saving me the hassle of using my own grey cells. Blink

I thought about mass related effects, but that would be disadvantageous and only happening when active.
Singoth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-05-15 12:47:05 UTC
Pony.
Definately pony.

Less yappin', more zappin'!
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#30 - 2012-05-15 19:17:39 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
i love the arguments put forth in favor of nerfing local

"local makes for easymode carebearing in nullsec"

which is completely different from "removing local will make for easymode ratter KMs in nullsec"


Imagine space where people had to use their scanners and scouts instead of local for intel... I have a dream
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2012-05-15 20:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Cebraio wrote:
Ryoko Matsu wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

[Sin, A USEFUL SIN]
...

Heavy Capacitor Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I
100MN MicroWarpdrive I

...


Why does it have 4x MWD?


to lower the cap, so that the cap can be faster filled up with the cap-boostersShocked
(at first i hadn´t a clue either...but after thinking fo a while -> *ping*)

edith says:
btw a very good use of "game-mechanics" Big smile


Thanks for saving me the hassle of using my own grey cells. Blink

I thought about mass related effects, but that would be disadvantageous and only happening when active.


That's also why they're all T1. With max skills, it has a Cap of 1900. 2 Cap boosters fill it to 1600, which is over 75%, which means you can jump out as soon as your session change timer ends.

Oddly, this is one of those ships that could theoretically improve if you had substandard enough skills. With all 0s (and an extra MWD), it has 1190 cap, which might be small enough that one Cap booster could do the job. The right side effect on an Exile booster would guarantee it.

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