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So many alts online, but not that many humans?
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xCabalx
The Wallstreet Bulls Corporation
#21 - 2012-05-16 06:12:49 UTC
Maybe I am too traditional regarding this, but 1 alt for everyone is the way I'm thinking, especially this would force you to work together with others instead of... with yourself to speed things up. I heard someone has duplicated himself 122 times in this game good lord... whats the point of this? Meeting one person is ok... but not 100 of the absolutely same kind.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#22 - 2012-05-16 06:40:35 UTC
Alts are great because you can gank the same person 4 times in one fleet gank :)

4x the tears!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2012-05-16 08:06:52 UTC
I am a meat Popsicle.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-05-16 08:17:46 UTC
I like how people use calling someone an alt as an insult to suggest they're "less valid" than a main. Remember folks, as an alt, they're still being played by the same person who plays the main.

tweeten

One day they woke me up so I could live forever

It's such a shame the same will never happen to you
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#25 - 2012-05-16 08:53:58 UTC
Jace Errata wrote:
I like how people use calling someone an alt as an insult to suggest they're "less valid" than a main. Remember folks, as an alt, they're still being played by the same person who plays the main.

Yes but hiding behind an alt invariably means they are pretending to have null/low/pvp experience, when in reality their "main" is an ice mining high sec bot.

Using an argument from authority is considerably more successful when you aren't a member of the glorious brutor tribe or some such. Doesn't stop people from trying constantly though.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-05-16 12:28:39 UTC
leave the 5 system radius you live in, eve's not that crowded at all
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#27 - 2012-05-16 12:50:39 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
It turns out that the only ones left are you, me ,and the hundreds of thousands of goon altsRoll


When you realise that there is no Goon, you to can leave the matrix.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-05-16 13:25:41 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
1 out fo 4 players have a 2nd account or more.

and then your post assumes that those 25% have just two accounts each.




He can also assume or add another 25% of players playing/have in between 2 and 8 accounts.

Then add another 25% of players have/play with in between 8 and 15 accounts.

And the last 25% of guys playing/have in between 15 and 30 accounts (happens more often than you can think and blobs help)

The % is for sure not good but anyway these numbers are not interesting to communicate. Whenever I see 40k players connected I can safely think at least 50% of those are alts.

brb
xCabalx
The Wallstreet Bulls Corporation
#29 - 2012-05-17 09:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: xCabalx
I don't know if CCP allowed too much regarding this.... it creates an unbalance amongs players (advantage < GAP > disadvantage, slow income < GAP > fast income, one human in one place < GAP > one human at 2 places at the same time.....)

It's like the real world... the gap between poor people and rich people is getting bigger. This sandbox is beeing occupied more by multiple-accs/chars while the others just get he smaller cake.
Brother chookta
One Horse Trading
#30 - 2012-05-17 12:05:06 UTC
can't afford 3 accounts anymore so, as of the end of this month I won't have any alts.

But tell me, if I take three pimped up flycatchers piloted by three 92 mil SP toons into a Lvl 4 mission - which one would be my main?

P.S. THis is not ALL I do in EvE
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-17 12:20:59 UTC
Brother chookta wrote:
can't afford 3 accounts anymore so, as of the end of this month I won't have any alts.

But tell me, if I take three pimped up flycatchers piloted by three 92 mil SP toons into a Lvl 4 mission - which one would be my main?

P.S. THis is not ALL I do in EvE


Doesn't matter how many you can play after one, there's still one single person instead of 3. That's the whole thing specifically in this game many don't want to admit or are even conscious what's the problem with that.

So next expansion name will be what? -multi sand boxing on line?

Or does it mean regular people playing a single account are not welcome/desired?

brb
Brother chookta
One Horse Trading
#32 - 2012-05-17 13:26:48 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Brother chookta wrote:
can't afford 3 accounts anymore so, as of the end of this month I won't have any alts.

But tell me, if I take three pimped up flycatchers piloted by three 92 mil SP toons into a Lvl 4 mission - which one would be my main?

P.S. THis is not ALL I do in EvE


Doesn't matter how many you can play after one, there's still one single person instead of 3. That's the whole thing specifically in this game many don't want to admit or are even conscious what's the problem with that.

So next expansion name will be what? -multi sand boxing on line?

Or does it mean regular people playing a single account are not welcome/desired?


I totally agree, if CCP said that from now on there would be 1 character per account and would transfer alts. to a seperate account, if requested and lower the sub I would agree with it. I usually only play one account at a time anyway nowadays. It was more fun when Hi Sec was less Noob orientated ( don't like using Carebear - used to be an honorable career path and not a cover all insult) and less crowded - just felt more dangerous.

But.........
I can't see CCP doing this as it would probably be an economic disaster for them. Also how do you make sure its one person, one account?
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-05-17 13:38:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Vera Algaert wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
1 out fo 4 players have a 2nd account or more.

and then your post assumes that those 25% have just two accounts each.



However, she/he assumes too that because 25% players have a second account, they ARE that second account.
In fact, if 25% players are double boxing, then you have a 87,5% of main accounts and 12,5% of secondary accounts.
This 25% would be further divided depending on how many alt accounts we assume the average is on those peopel who have more than 1.

For example, if between those who have more than 1 account the average is to have 3 accounts, then:
25/ 3 = more or less 8%
Then 75 + 8 = 83% are main accounts and 17% alts.

IMO we can assume that most players of those 25% will have between two and three accounts total. That's around 85% online players being real main accounts.
Disregarding bots, out of 45000 chars connected, you have 38250 players.

Don't tell me it's a really nice amount compared to what we had on incarna.
Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#34 - 2012-05-17 14:35:29 UTC
Eve game mechanics are to blame for people having multiple accounts.
Phugoid
Absolute Order XL
Absolute Honor
#35 - 2012-05-17 14:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Phugoid
Humans?? Didnt the Cylons get rid of most of em?....

There shouldn't be any left anywaz, since we were all podded at one time or another, we are all clones now !

Flugzeugführer
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-05-18 01:12:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
1 out fo 4 players have a 2nd account or more.

and then your post assumes that those 25% have just two accounts each.



However, she/he assumes too that because 25% players have a second account, they ARE that second account.
In fact, if 25% players are double boxing, then you have a 87,5% of main accounts and 12,5% of secondary accounts.
This 25% would be further divided depending on how many alt accounts we assume the average is on those peopel who have more than 1.

For example, if between those who have more than 1 account the average is to have 3 accounts, then:
25/ 3 = more or less 8%
Then 75 + 8 = 83% are main accounts and 17% alts.

IMO we can assume that most players of those 25% will have between two and three accounts total. That's around 85% online players being real main accounts.
Disregarding bots, out of 45000 chars connected, you have 38250 players.

Don't tell me it's a really nice amount compared to what we had on incarna.



I don't think you understand the repercussions if you can't make the difference btween one char or two played by one person and an army of alts played by the same single person.

First of all if in real economics CCP looses nothing because this person will probably pay subs with plex witch was bought by someone else yadayada, no problem with that

The problem is when a single person acting so can generate all alone huge amounts of isk in a very small amount of time and almost with no effort because of force multiplier (sanctums/DED/incursions/PI/R&D).
The problem is not related directly to how much this single guy can do but how much so many guys acting like the previous one does and actually have far more influence in game changes.

Those changes will obviously affect directly and harder the guy playing with a single account than the one with his army of alts because of whatever reason that SHOULDN'T be an argument of balance.

At the end of the day once every single income requiring less attention like PI/R&D or to another extent mining gets nerf, how much do you think these changes affect the single player and the guy playing his army of alts? (somewhat legal bots)

I'll answer that one easily: the single player or with his alt will not have the choice but to spend more time to get some decent isk, and grind for grind is as tedious and bad game experience as farming gazillions of rabbits for a new piece of armor witch leads that player to loose interest and test something else instead.

The guy playing his army of alts, him, will just get 4 billions of PI instead of 5, maybe 1 billion of data cores instead of 1.5, maybe 5b of minerals instead of 6, but what difference does it really makes?

How much impact the loss of an hulk or whatever ship in game has to that single player that now has to grind more and will obviously loose interest, to buy a new ship.
What impact this has on someone else that just lost one billion over already far too much he can make with this "weird" mechanic?

I'm not asking for limitation of number alts whatever you can play, I'm only saying that balance individuals income when numbers are biased because of multi account players it's not good. (by multi account I mean from 2 up to 30)

brb
Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#37 - 2012-05-18 01:42:19 UTC
Formal request for a GM/DEV to post a graph with data over a months time, this should have:

- online characters
vs
- unique IPs connected

Would be interesting.


And 25% of all EVE players have an alt? More like 25% admit to having an alt.

I have 6 accounts and 10 characters. Your statistics out of a hat are not impressive.

In fact I'd say it's more like 25% don't have an alt. I don't know anyone that doesn't have at least 2 accounts. The game almost requires it at a certain point.
Zoltar
Perdu Opus
#38 - 2012-05-18 01:45:53 UTC
My 2nd account has an alt account
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-05-18 02:22:15 UTC
Adria Origin wrote:
Formal request for a GM/DEV to post a graph with data over a months time, this should have:

- online characters
vs
- unique IPs connected

Would be interesting.


And 25% of all EVE players have an alt? More like 25% admit to having an alt.


It's more or less what we were talking about, it's good to read more stuff before posting (should do it my self, dam)

Quote:
I have 6 accounts and 10 characters. Your statistics out of a hat are not impressive.

In fact I'd say it's more like 25% don't have an alt. I don't know anyone that doesn't have at least 2 accounts. The game almost requires it at a certain point.



Those are not statistics out of whatever hat, just random numbers when the discussion was about "what if 25% had ONLY 2 accounts" and yadayada. By the way I was exactly telling in a previous post that would be quite interesting to know how many unique IP's or MAC's addresses are actually connected when you see numbers like 40K plus characters on line.

Since most guys I know in game have in between same number than you and 20+ accounts I'm officially some casual player with my 2 accounts and reinforces the idea that when you see 40k IG you can actually think those are less than 10K unique MAC/IP connected.

brb
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#40 - 2012-05-18 02:44:53 UTC
there are over 9000 real players in eve
the rest are alts
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