EVE General Discussion

Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever...


People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.

EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for?

Game inflation, otherwise known as mudflation. Go google it.

I just invested in 2 Ferox's and 3 Thorax's for ***** and giggles PvP.

Relatively cheap, and damn fun.

Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever...


People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.

Since the real cost of ships has fallen steeply over the last few years, you could just look at it as a partial return to the status quo ante. In terms of player hours of effort required to buy one, they're still much cheaper than they were in the first half of the game.

Re-tilting the balance towards cheaper ships has several beneficial effects, not the least of which is to make "standard fleets" more accessible to low-SP players.

Did we really want to see EVE carrying on down the path it was on last year, where your choice of ships for "serious" fleets was narrowing down to: Supercapitals, Tech 3, and as a sop to the scrubs, dictors and probers?

Because make no mistake, that was where we were heading. Leaving CCP with a choice of either: rebalance the whole game around supers/T3s and gift new players 20-30M SP to start with, or else make an effort to reset the mudflation EVE has seen. If anything, Soundwave & co should be nerfing income and resources harder, but you can only boil the frog so fast.

So the answer to the question posed above is, yes, we should unironically hope and expect to see T1 cruiser gangs become normal and viable again. It will take a long time, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness, many cries of undue Goon/PL/FoTM Alliance-du-jour influence, but it can be done, it must be done and I hope it will be done.

Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons.