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Budget Build need help/advice!

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Kado Suzuki
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-14 18:11:55 UTC
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-14 18:27:03 UTC
I'm not sure that motherboard with on-board gfx is gonna help you that much since you've got a gfx card lined up anyways. The rest looks good for the budget. Cheers building your rig!
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-14 18:35:46 UTC
First off, that cpu isn't on the bios test report, so it could have issues, not run to capacity, no way of knowing exactly. Probably end up throttled. Remember that m-atx boards typically are for small cases, not mid tower so have to run cooler. If you have a mid, better to go with a standard ATX board.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=506 see support cpu and ram

Same with ram, not on test report. That doesnt mean it won't work, it just means that it might not work right. Different frequency, etc. I recommend a new motherboard, or choose processor and ram from that list. Tally up voltage, but 550 should be more than adequate provided it has the right connectors.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Kado Suzuki
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-14 18:46:43 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
First off, that cpu isn't on the bios test report, so it could have issues, not run to capacity, no way of knowing exactly. Probably end up throttled. Remember that m-atx boards typically are for small cases, not mid tower so have to run cooler. If you have a mid, better to go with a standard ATX board.

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=506 see support cpu and ram

Same with ram, not on test report. That doesnt mean it won't work, it just means that it might not work right. Different frequency, etc. I recommend a new motherboard, or choose processor and ram from that list. Tally up voltage, but 550 should be more than adequate provided it has the right connectors.



What mobo do u recommend ?
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-14 18:55:04 UTC
I have to head out, don't quite have the time to give my budget build suggestion at this moment, watch for me to repost in a few hours, sorry.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#6 - 2012-05-14 18:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari


Or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157309 similar spec from a stronger brand with more head room for upgrades to 1600 DDR3 and AM3+ support, you could stretch for that 1600 DDR3 RAM and/or upgrade the CPU later.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#7 - 2012-05-14 19:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Remove whatever you already have.

http://www.tomshardware.com/system-configuration-recommendation-55.html

I'd go for the Budget Intel build tho, if you can...
Vyl Vit
#8 - 2012-05-14 19:12:26 UTC
Build a top end machine. You'll wind up spending the money anyway keeping the tossed together machine running. Very soon, all this legacy stuff won't be useable anyway. Build one if you have to get a second mortgage, sell your wife (or mother), or rent out your dog. Take my advice.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Kado Suzuki
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-14 19:14:29 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Build a top end machine. You'll wind up spending the money anyway keeping the tossed together machine running. Very soon, all this legacy stuff won't be useable anyway. Build one if you have to get a second mortgage, sell your wife (or mother), or rent out your dog. Take my advice.


im like super poor so i most make it work :S
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#10 - 2012-05-14 19:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari


That is 4 time the cost and when you're spending that amount then you really want the Z68XP-UD3
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#11 - 2012-05-14 19:39:53 UTC
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-14 21:09:59 UTC
The video card is about 20 dollars overpriced.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-05-15 00:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Alright, what I would build. MSI components because I have never had a problem with their stuff. Micro ATX boards I guess are pretty cheap cost comparatively, just limits expansion

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130638

I could pick exactly what ram to look at, but go here

http://us.msi.com/product/mb/760GM-P21--FX-.html#/?div=TestReport

and select the support tab. You can see what graphics cards, ram and cpus are tested and bios set to work with the motherboard. Note it has alot more test supported. This will ensure the components you get work properly together without any throttling, heat or performance issues.

Example:

CPU you selected is supported, searched the ADX455WF model processor is in the test list

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139659 ram is supported, as pn KVR1333D3S8N9

For the Gskill, looks like you need the CN7T for the end of the ram designation, which lazy me unfortunately cannto search for.

for graphics card, I like the msi cards as well, rock solid, feel free to select to your budged from this list

http://us.msi.com/file/test_report/TR1_2492.pdf

Again, other stuff can work, but following these will give you the most ease in build since the stuff is tested and bios is known to co-operate with. Might not see this thread again since it got moved, if you have more questions, just shout me a pm, or pop and like and I will look back here.

If budget is your main concern, check out the radeon cards as well. Can use newegg to just search for your price range of card, and see if the card you are looking at is on their test list

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#14 - 2012-05-15 05:40:25 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
Remove whatever you already have.

http://www.tomshardware.com/system-configuration-recommendation-55.html

I'd go for the Budget Intel build tho, if you can...


An alternative, more frequently updated PC site build recommendation is sharkyextreme.com:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MVGSBG/article.php/3939851/PC-Buyers-Guide-for-EntryLevel-Gaming--April-2012.htm

Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#15 - 2012-05-27 05:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaaeliaa
Qui Shon wrote:
Pohbis wrote:
Remove whatever you already have.

http://www.tomshardware.com/system-configuration-recommendation-55.html

I'd go for the Budget Intel build tho, if you can...


An alternative, more frequently updated PC site build recommendation is sharkyextreme.com:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/MVGSBG/article.php/3939851/PC-Buyers-Guide-for-EntryLevel-Gaming--April-2012.htm



The Intel build isn't bad. Most of us gamers have keyboards, monitors, and mice laying around, too, so unless OP really needs new ones...well, don't buy 'em. Also, OP, since you said you already have a 550W PSU, you can drop that as well. However, spend a few extra bucks and get an i5-2500K. The extra overclocking room is worth it. Also, drop the Radeon 6770 for a 6850. Don't waste money on 2GB RAM sticks. Get 4GB each, at the very least. And never pay for Windows. Those are just recommendations.

The one thing I absolutely have to rip about that build, though, is the motherboard. $115 for one PCI x16 slot? I actually just ordered parts for my newest build.

i5-2500K (Sandy Bridge): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
Biostar TZ77B motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138352
PowerColor Radeon 6850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131374
120GB OCZ Agility SSHD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227726
8GB G.SKILL PC17000 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231468
Corsair H60 Liquid Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181015

I had to buy thermal compound (don't forget it!), a PSU, and a case, and still paid less than $750. You could probably come in at less than that.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#16 - 2012-05-27 07:36:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Guy wants a budget build, and he repeated that price is of the utmost importance to him since he's strapped for cash.
Recommending him stuff 2-3 times more expensive is not helping him at all.
So the only real question is, what does he need the build for, or better said, what performance does he expect on several usage scenarios ?

He already has a case+PSU, HDD, optical drive, so all he needs in mobo+CPU+GPU+RAM.
The motherboard is of very little consequence on a budget non-overclocker build, so I'd only say switch to the one Wyke Mossari posted ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157309 ), that looks better than the one in the OP anyway and is at about the same price.
He could also do better by switching the GPU to a similarly priced but noticeably faster Radeon HD 6670 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102988 (almost 2 times faster than the one he listed in the OP).


If, for instance, all he really needs it for is casual EVE gameplay (single client, no huge fleet battles), then what he posted in the OP is perfectly fine for that, as it will give him sufficiently smooth playable framerates in most situations he's likely to be in with only minor sacrifices to graphic detail down from maximum possible... and all of it at rock-bottom prices.

If he's likely to multi-client, he should first go for more RAM, then a better GPU.
RAM is dirt cheap, so probably best to just go for something like this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424 (because the mobo only supports 8GB anyway, it has 4 slots, and 4x2 is cheaper than 2x4).
GPU-wise, probably the best bang for only a bit more buck would be a Radeon HD 6770 like this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125396 (about 3 times faster than the one the OP listed and only 50% faster than the one recommended above, but at nearly double the price).

If he finds himself often in huge fleet battles, he should first go for a faster CPU, then a better GPU.
The CPU issue is a bit trickier since you might want to switch to a low-grade sandybridge instead of a better AMD CPU, so you'd also need to switch the mobo.

P.S. Extremely similar thread : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=110908
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#17 - 2012-05-27 07:41:16 UTC


Link everything BUT the most important part... the PSU...
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#18 - 2012-05-27 07:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
alittlebirdy wrote:
Link everything BUT the most important part... the PSU...

He already has it, and it's probably a dirt-cheap "550w" one that came with the case (that is probably lucky to actually give him 450w without issues).
At the grade of components he's likely to buy, the PSU is hardly relevant, since he probably won't even use half of its capacity anyway, and a decent (not even close to top) quality PSU is likely to be too expensive to be worth purchasing for him given the circumstances.
If he needs a PCI-E power connector (for the 6770 only, because the 6670 can get all needed power from the PCI-E slot directly) and the PSU does not have one, he can use a MOLEX adapter which costs a couple of dollars (if one doesn't already come with the video card anyway).

So, basically, no, PSU doesn't really matter, not in a rock-bottom budget build. You take whatever cheap stuff you can and run with it, and hope you live in a decent power quality area.
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
#19 - 2012-05-27 15:34:12 UTC
And since you seem (yet maybe don't) know about PC parts you would know SOME psus EXPLOAD at 1/2 power if not at LEAST fall way out of spec.

But ya... the 1 part than can kill every other part in the pc don't matter... worked out fine for ACER right? I mean they don't pop psus like candy. Let's ignore the fact you can get a high end 450 for sub $30... O and DURRR you can never budget build cheaper that OEM... so this whole thing is pointless the only reason to budget build is to get BETTER parts... you want cheap **** just buy an acer.

Sorry, to say the psu does not matter just makes you a total idiot.

O pro tip most POS psus that lack pci-e power can't support the draw... so the plan of let's use an adaptor... TROLLOLOLOL


Oh if only I had a link to the PSU that had cement as as the PFC...


Should apply this logic to life...

Want cheap car... and cheap fixes...

Let's buy the most POS tires we can... after all, they only do everything for a car... from stop, to control it, why care about any other damage that could come from it?
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#20 - 2012-05-27 16:14:15 UTC
Akita T wrote:
stuff


I did recommend a budget build, or rather, I suggested improvements to one in the post that I quoted. The i5 is not expensive for its capabilities. The problem is that you can NOT cheap out too much on the parts. It's better to spend just a little more and give yourself headroom for overclocking and upgrades; thus making it so you can go longer without buying a whole new rig.

Also, the OP posted a micro ATX mobo, which I would recommend strongly against since he/she already has an ATX mid tower.

TL;DR: you can build a new PC on a decent budget, but don't be cheap. Buy nice parts and leave room for upgrades.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

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