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New dev blog: War, Modules & Super Friends

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Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#381 - 2012-05-21 19:03:16 UTC
Brunaburh wrote:
NPC BPOs are unlimited in supply. There is no "deciding" if it's available. Random exploration-dropped BPC volume is wholly determined by player activity. You want it? Go find it, or pay for the BPC someone else found.

There's a fixed number of exploration sites available at a given time, and they take non-zero time to scan down and complete. That amount and time, combined with the drop probability, are what will determine supply.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#382 - 2012-05-21 21:49:01 UTC
D'Kelle wrote:


Personally I feel CCP privately messed up with the design config for armor tanking on Gallente ships and either cant figure out how to fix it, or do not have to will to sort it out correctly, so they either ignore the problem or throw another sticky plaster at it :(


Gallente are great when you can Hull tank them or Active armor tank them. Otherwise, their speed is (generally) gimped too hard to effectively use blasters.

Generally speaking,
Amarr are Armor Buffer, slow ships, with good range.
Caldari are Shield Buffer, slow ships, with great range.
Gall are Armor Active, fast ships, with shot range <- Gall ships can be fast if they're not buffered
Minnie are a rusty mix of everything.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

iwasatoad
The Lost Disciple's
#383 - 2012-05-21 21:49:13 UTC
Leave it to CCP to take a good idea and make it pointless because of whiners

to the extent theay try to make it sound all good at first then confuse every one unless theay have a trig calcuator handy

"The refined formula is: (log2.05831 N)^2 * 300,000 * N^0.27, where N is the number of corp members"

so the origonal idea of war deccing a 3k member alliance would cost you around a bill now cost's no more than 1 BS in the war

agin Leave it to CCP to take a good idea and make it point less mise of well just left it at 50 mill period as the only alliance this will help stop grefing repeating war decc's on is Goon's. But there agin like most of us in EVE know where do most CCP members accounts toon's lay...

And yet war decc's you stil fight over nothing not docking right's not over a place to put a pos not in high sec you cant afford to make it worth having it because of PI and new fuel requirements. So you simpley get war decced because some bigger group want's to see the lesser group and low isk group half to stay docked no point in highering merc's do to the fact theay wont gain anything from it ever and i can garentee that the war deccing group will also have alt's in the mer group you higher what a kicker

Not verry well though out plan by CCP

as iv stated before the only way to make war decc's worth even having in this game is to fight over docking right's in HS/LS station's
So that there is a penetely if you loose But some people just never listen this is the only reason i left high sec WAR DEC'S ARE POINTLESS no risk outher than a ship that if your out numbered you will have stabbed to hell and play gate game's or docking games quick fix Losing factor corp/alliance looses docking right's

the counter to that is it's not failr my 0.0 group cant dock in the trade hub. wrong agin can only war decc if there is a Copr office for docking right's or if it's just simpley to greiff back to the 500,000 per alliance member.


But a real war decc system that you would fight over someting and have risk/reward will never happen not so long as it's CCP controled it would just make to much dam cent's
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#384 - 2012-05-21 21:51:56 UTC
iwasatoad wrote:

And yet war decc's you stil fight over nothing not docking right's not over a place to put a pos not in high sec you cant afford to make it worth having it because of PI and new fuel requirements. So you simpley get war decced because some bigger group want's to see the lesser group and low isk group half to stay docked no point in highering merc's do to the fact theay wont gain anything from it ever and i can garentee that the war deccing group will also have alt's in the mer group you higher what a kicker


If you can't afford to fuel your POS, you are using it wrong.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Alex Logan
OK Researches And Inventions
#385 - 2012-05-22 12:57:06 UTC
Don't f*** up the battlecruisers too!!!
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
#386 - 2012-05-22 13:34:52 UTC
Salvage drones are... where? Saw Torfi's presentation at fanfest. Got plenty of room for em in mah drone bay.

Seed these soon tm, please.
Rundle Allnighter
No Fox Given
Already Replaced.
#387 - 2012-05-22 16:17:06 UTC
Dev's...

Can you provide some details as to what you have designed as the behaviour for two items:


1) War dec's that were active prior to the new system going live.

2) War dec's that were declared before the new system went live but were still in the 24hrs before hostilities could occur state. (i.e. someone who placed a wardec 12hrs before inferno went live)


What happens to characters who left the corporation prior to inferno (I guess that could apply to corps leaving alliances as well) in both these two cases?

In other words, can you provide more details for all the variants of existing wars prior to the launch of Inferno and what they now look like and act within the new system!

Thanks!

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#388 - 2012-05-23 16:41:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Alx Warlord wrote:
Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:
Drones already do unproportionally high damage


Really?
A Dominix using 5 "Berserk II" at all skills LVL5 does 386 DPS with drones...
A Machariel with "800mm repeting atiliary II x7" 4 gyrostabilizers II using "Hail L" does 1178 DPS + Drones...

So Drones damage is not that hi, expecially for drone boats, you dont know what you are talking about, actualy drones sux as main damage output......


And I still think that this Drone Damage module should be HI-SLOT for drone boats.....


Domi's also use Turrets. In fact, for Hisec structure bashing, the Domi is King, giving you 920 DPS completely AFK for 120m, mostly insured.

For normal PvP, the Domi does fine with blasters or Neuts, with the drones letting it pose a significant threat to small ships (not something most battleships can do).



920 is still less then the 1300 that a machariel can reach ( also using drones) and having some tank MWD and stuff...
Drones doesn't do that much damage, you cant say that it is unproportionaly Hi and you can't say that Dominix does toons of DPS on PVP, in fact, it does an almost moderate damage if all your skills are optimized......

Domi is one of my favorite ships, but having this Drone module for low slot will not help it at all....
One Bash Apocalipse will do more DPS then a domi with it... just wait inferno and see... Apoc will take it place on Hi-Sec bashing......
Also, most galente drone boats will not use this module... This shoud have been a hi-slot module for drone boats not a way to make gallente even more uselles...


Bash Tach (better damage than Megas) Apoc (set for AFK work, so Meta Guns, T2 Else) does 773 DPS (aka 180 DPS less than the Domi) with 3x Gardes and costs 190m (aka 70m more than the Domi). Good try though.

920 is what it reaches with T1 Pulse Lasers. With a Domi tricked out the way you trick out a Mach to get 1300 DPS, you get right around 1200 DPS for a non-Pirate BS.

Pirate Faction ships are supposed to be better than T1. The comparable Gall boat for a Mach would be the Vindi which gets LOLer Deeps.

Anyway, if the Drone mod were a high, it would be useless to everyone. As it is, it might be useful to Neut Domis in PvP, but it'll mostly be useful to PvE ships. Drones aren't usually what you use for DPS in PvP cause they asplode a lot.



They would be good for ALL drone boats if they wore HI-Slot, Like if you get 600-700 DPS using drones and consuming Most of dominix Hi-Slot for this it is fine... And drone boats would match the raw DPS of other BSs being drone boats...
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#389 - 2012-05-23 17:40:07 UTC
Before I file the bug report, there seems to be something really weired with the way wars are billed. Or I missed something.

Last night I war deced an alliance consisting of 3 corps totaling 9 people. I paid the bill of 50mil and got a mail saying I would owe another 50mil next tues. All well and good. Then today I get a mail saying I have also declared war on another crop I have never heard of. When I check the info, this new corp shows it joined the allince I had deced today, yet the alliance I deced does not show them as a member. The mail also said I will owe 100mil next wed (I guess on top of the 50mil I owe on tues) to continue the war with this corp... a corp that has 16 members!

Can someone explain (dev please) what the bloodyell is happening?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#390 - 2012-05-23 21:25:48 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Anyway, if the Drone mod were a high, it would be useless to everyone. As it is, it might be useful to Neut Domis in PvP, but it'll mostly be useful to PvE ships. Drones aren't usually what you use for DPS in PvP cause they asplode a lot.



They would be good for ALL drone boats if they wore HI-Slot, Like if you get 600-700 DPS using drones and consuming Most of dominix Hi-Slot for this it is fine... And drone boats would match the raw DPS of other BSs being drone boats...


Step back from your AFK sentry domi for a moment. A drone mod in the high slots means that you can't fit guns (which up your DPS way faster than a damage mod can), cant fit neuts (Neut Domis are pretty good), can't fit exploration stuff. This is even more important for other drone boats like the Ishtar and the Rattlesnake, who generally use their high slots but have more room to play with their lowslots.

Not everything is about trying to AFK your l4 missions the fastest bud.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Rundle Allnighter
No Fox Given
Already Replaced.
#391 - 2012-05-23 21:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rundle Allnighter
Manssell wrote:
Before I file the bug report, there seems to be something really weired with the way wars are billed. Or I missed something.

Last night I war deced an alliance consisting of 3 corps totaling 9 people. I paid the bill of 50mil and got a mail saying I would owe another 50mil next tues. All well and good. Then today I get a mail saying I have also declared war on another crop I have never heard of. When I check the info, this new corp shows it joined the allince I had deced today, yet the alliance I deced does not show them as a member. The mail also said I will owe 100mil next wed (I guess on top of the 50mil I owe on tues) to continue the war with this corp... a corp that has 16 members!

Can someone explain (dev please) what the bloodyell is happening?



I would also be interested in a dev answer on this.

My guess of what happened is they built an alt corp, invited it into the alliance and then had that corp leave right away. Under the new system your war dec will now follow the corp leaving the alliance. And that would generate a new wardec bill for you.

I wonder how many times you could do this given how quickly it would scale the costs.

Manssell, I am curious why war dec such a small alliance with 9 people given you are a corp of 1? What's the reasoning behind it? Did they wrong you in some way? It might prove to be a good story for my next podcast. I'm always looking for good community stories, after all we write the stories! And I like to help tell them!

I understand you might not want to give the answer here given this is an open forum so feel free to mail me.

- Rundle

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Amber Solaire
COMA Holdings
Cosmic Maniacs
#392 - 2012-05-27 12:36:09 UTC
Massive Fail, CCP

Where is this: Extrinsic Damage Amplifier I ??

It has not been seeded, exists on no ingame database

You are making promises you can`t keep (again!!)
Amber Solaire
COMA Holdings
Cosmic Maniacs
#393 - 2012-05-27 12:41:59 UTC
Manssell wrote:
Before I file the bug report, there seems to be something really weired with the way wars are billed. Or I missed something.

Last night I war deced an alliance consisting of 3 corps totaling 9 people. I paid the bill of 50mil and got a mail saying I would owe another 50mil next tues. All well and good. Then today I get a mail saying I have also declared war on another crop I have never heard of. When I check the info, this new corp shows it joined the allince I had deced today, yet the alliance I deced does not show them as a member. The mail also said I will owe 100mil next wed (I guess on top of the 50mil I owe on tues) to continue the war with this corp... a corp that has 16 members!

Can someone explain (dev please) what the bloodyell is happening?



It`s not a bug, it is the ally system (when they ally with the defender, they are in effect being wardecced by you too, so you have to pay extra)
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#394 - 2012-05-27 12:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
Isn't Sisi the best place to test new modules? Bring them onto Tranquility AFTER you are committed to them. Are these new modules deployed already?

PS: What is the strategy for countering the MagSheath .. bubble and web drones, or very small gang? What are the formulas for target break chance vs number of locks? And what is the basis of this new technology? Finally, what is wrong with the well-established ECM Burst module? PS: If there is something wrong with existing game mechanics to make a MagSheath a good idea, then identifying what is wrong can go a long way into determining an effective solution. The effect of this module seems to be to force the fleet to avoid declaring primaries, except when the target is within a bubble, and to instead have the fleet split into several parts, each of which pursues its own primaries to keep the number of locks low. It also discourages the practice of calling secondaries.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#395 - 2012-05-27 12:54:36 UTC
Amber Solaire wrote:
Massive Fail, CCP

Where is this: Extrinsic Damage Amplifier I ??

It has not been seeded, exists on no ingame database

You are making promises you can`t keep (again!!)



I think you're looking for the Drone Damage Amplifier. They changed the name.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#396 - 2012-05-27 12:57:02 UTC
Amber Solaire wrote:
Manssell wrote:
Before I file the bug report, there seems to be something really weired with the way wars are billed. Or I missed something.

Last night I war deced an alliance consisting of 3 corps totaling 9 people. I paid the bill of 50mil and got a mail saying I would owe another 50mil next tues. All well and good. Then today I get a mail saying I have also declared war on another crop I have never heard of. When I check the info, this new corp shows it joined the allince I had deced today, yet the alliance I deced does not show them as a member. The mail also said I will owe 100mil next wed (I guess on top of the 50mil I owe on tues) to continue the war with this corp... a corp that has 16 members!

Can someone explain (dev please) what the bloodyell is happening?



It`s not a bug, it is the ally system (when they ally with the defender, they are in effect being wardecced by you too, so you have to pay extra)



Nope.

/Probably/ what happened was:

New corp joined the alliance.
New corp left the alliance (taking a copy of the war dec with it, so you can't just escape the a war dec by leaving)

Check the corp history. It'll probably show this.

They'll be separate wars. So you don't have to keep paying for the new one.

Allies don't bump the cost of wars.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#397 - 2012-05-27 12:59:06 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
PS: What is the strategy for countering the MagSheath .. bubble and web drones, or very small gang? What are the formulas for target break chance vs number of locks? And what is the basis of this new technology? Finally, what is wrong with the well-established ECM Burst module? PS: If there is something wrong with existing game mechanics to make a MagSheath a good idea, then identifying what is wrong can go a long way into determining an effective solution. The effect of this module seems to be to force the fleet to avoid declaring primaries, except when the target is within a bubble, and to instead have the fleet split into several parts, each of which pursues its own primaries to keep the number of locks low. It also discourages the practice of calling secondaries.



ECM Burst is an offensive module, for one. Trigger it, and you'll gain aggression from anything it hits. like gate guns. Mag Sheath isn't.


It /looks/ like the purpose of the module is to cut down on the alpha fleet.


As for the basis of the tech, take a look at the description.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Amber Solaire
COMA Holdings
Cosmic Maniacs
#398 - 2012-05-27 12:59:48 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Amber Solaire wrote:
Massive Fail, CCP

Where is this: Extrinsic Damage Amplifier I ??

It has not been seeded, exists on no ingame database

You are making promises you can`t keep (again!!)



I think you're looking for the Drone Damage Amplifier. They changed the name.



Ah tyvm
POS Trader
Merchants of Lore
#399 - 2012-05-28 23:20:46 UTC
iwasatoad wrote:

so the origonal idea of war deccing a 3k member alliance would cost you around a bill now cost's no more than 1 BS in the war


If you can't handle being at war in your 0.0 space, maybe there is an issue there. It is quite sad that you are whining that your high sec CCP dec shield is not protecting you well enough.. maybe you want CONCORD protection in 0.0 too?

Msgerbs
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#400 - 2012-05-30 23:21:34 UTC
So... Why did you remove the Amarr mining frigate and the caldari missile frigate and replace them with gunboats? :/

And can somebody please explain "Capitor Battery Changes" because no matter how many times I read it, it makes absolutely no sense to me.