EVE General Discussion

Look at my changes, all of them on page 4. I want more fun for every one, is mining fun for you? Is it fun after a year? Will you only mine forever in this game?

Your arguments are so full of holes I can't even bother dealing with them. The changes I proposed that are not original would improve the game for every single person, even the miner who would never want to pick up a gun and shoot.

But please, keep advocating keeping status quo, it is not like that would hurt any of us

You have fun doing what? Declare wars on others in highsec, gotcha, how did my changes make that worse? Oh because you can't cut their lowsec income stream? WHat corps do you declare war on? Are you pissed off then that hulks stop mining in highsec because of suicide gankings? what you can't gank them in lowsec? or you can't mine without safety of highsec? But it is safe, ever heard of d-scan and watching local and map stats? all of them work, only way to be ganked mining in highsec is if you are stupid or new. My proposal would let newbies mine more in peace, if you are smart and rich to afford a hulk then move in lowsec, I proposed more of those and more safety at their gates and stations, I ask, what do you want?

So you don't need an alliance, ok, do you need a corp? do you want to play with others at all?

I can go on and on asking questions you, the guy and girl before wont answer for a lifetime I see.

who do you mine for? build for? get ISK for? play for?

Is sandbox and your sandbox=make isk and mine for the fun of it a few hours a day for years and nothing else? solo? I have a hard time buying that, perhaps if you were Data and had no emotions maybe, but even then Data wanted to be more human

May I suggest playing the real stockmarket then? Or monopoly? or just play angry birds? I just don't believe someone is willing to spend time and money to do industry in this game without a goal other than that being the goal on its own. ANd if it is Why can't you do that in lowsec, 0.0 or in a wormhole? My changes would make that easier, more fun and rewarding.

Or are you saying because you are anti social and have yet to meet or have any friends who think like you do to create said corp or alliance my changes are not to be implemented now?

god you guys are worse than goons forcing your **** down my throat!

PS: I played industry myself for years, you are like a painter that does not want anyone even yourself to take pleasure in your painting, hint* they do not exist, why do they exist in EVE?

edit; if it is because you want to play a game like flOw then play flow, why on earth would you buy call of duty to have a gaming experience like Tetris. That is what you are doing now.

Wait are you serious?

Perhaps it is because of all issues I and others try to address, not because of your sandbox. I mean, all you just did now was contradict me, I mean, you can't be serious.

Now you did it again and again you are wrong, the cause is not that players want to mine 24/7 in EVE without any risk for no other reason to collect space ISK to buy another mining ship to mine more space ISK to then put all that in a wallet without ever spending it for 9 years. It is the opposite, it is an effect stemming from the fact that it is safe, profitable and you do it because of those reasons and the goal is ISK/minerals, which you then use on other parts of EVE.

Like I said before, there is no such thing as a miner that does only that for a year without a reason except for the soothing experience of being AFK when doing it, how else do you get ganked mining if not afk right

So at the end of the day, you can keep arguing me about human nature or get realistic.

edit; the changes I proposed not original would make the game more enjoyable for every one, not just what you label me as.

? I think you misunderstood me or I must misunderstand you, please read the thread starting page 4 even. Or reply and explain yourself better please, also know some of the quotes you made of me, with rolling eyes? had something called sarcasm, a little bit.

Listen, I even once played SWG as a cantina dancer host doing nothing else But I did it to buff my fellow guild members, have fun and put on crazy shows, even make videos and upload them on youtube Sometimes I even got killed and had my cantinaa invaded

But I loved all of it.

Now, how does a solo miner do any of that? People thought I was crazy and others like me for enjoying SWG that way, but even if they did not enjoy that they could understand why I and others did. Because a, it does not go against human nature and b, it was "fun" and rewarding.

I have yet to come across any awesome mining videos on youtube, yet to come across miners that actively enjoy their activity except anonymous forums alts? You know every single mining OP I have been in has been about the result and whatever activity we did during it that was not clicking f1 to activate strip miner.

So it is not fun, it is not rewarding compared to other activities and is mostly done with a bot or being AFK. To be profitable you need several accounts and or botting it which does not make it fun either or even more "fun".

How is that not begging for a change?

Let me make it more clear, I understand an industry player loving industry building for corp or profit or even to expand to build greater things or corner the market? and stuff like that. But to just do it for no reason which is what people are saying when arguing the changes I listed on page 4... no I do not believe it.

Listen, even a robot needs someone or something programming it to do something. Even in your own reply you hinted that you do mining as 1 activity and not the only thing in EVE you ever do.

Want to reflect on life mining? be 100% safe? EVE is not for you. But you did not say that did you? So then how, please tell me, did ANY of the changes I listed make your experience worse and not better doing mining and even reflecting on stuff?

They did not, possibly it made your experience more fun and more rewarding, or did you hate CCP when they talked about ring mining?

You keep saying I decide what is human, no I do not, what I do however is state facts about what makes you human to begin with and they have been known for quite some time. Do you also hate them paleontologists, Zoologists and psychiatrists?

You keep replying to people like you believe hi sec = solo mining.

Hi sec (any sec) is much more than mining.
Actually, mining is one of the few hi sec things you can do almost as good in 0.0, so your argument does not hold at all.

It's all the rest that is missing in 0.0: from lively markets to mass ability to research and invention, ability to buy stuff below refine value and reprocess it, ability to run missions (some guys like that, sue them!) which you cannot do unless you live in NPC nullsec.

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If there was no PVP your game would be ****, so stop +1 people with terrible opinions.

That is now a contradiction of yours you will need to deal with.

Good luck.

You are the OP.