EVE General Discussion

Everything that isn't blue is marked as kill on sight.

I mean they show up all grey and stuff, do they have to blink grey?

I'll pose a question for the nullsexers. If null sec is the elite pvp area and by that virtue those there are the creme de la creme and are surrounded by only the creme de la creme why on earth would you want the gnub hisexers out there with you?

But they are not the creme de la creme, I have met people doing FW in highsec only with more PVP talent in their little finger than some alliances in 0.0 has.

Question you want to ask is why they don't go there? I bet it has nothing to do with that highsec is more entertaining or fun gameplay. Do you think incursions for instance are "fun"? I loved doing a raid in WoW but I never met people who enjoyed doing same raid every week, they did it because of the reward.

0.0 is also not fun either and lowsec not much better.

No, problem is not highsec dwellers wanting their "sandbox", problem is the game needs change and balancing to improve the game as a whole. My changes do not remove carebears, miners or pirates, gankers or even blobs or solo PVP players. They all make it better and fun for all of the above.

"Conflict" makes that sound almost like you weren't just hunting helpless missioners with your buddies under CONCORD protection.

"Structure" in this context means that you can engage in risk-free ganking of clueless people. Yes, they are also to blame for being clueless, but it doesn't change the fact that you are a big boy chasing little kids in the kiddie pool, because the deep end is too much for you.

Greetings capsuleer,

Let's turn that question around. If all you want to do is mine in peace, or build ships - why are you even in New Eden?



Lovely things those. One of my co-pilots fly one and have the same type of success as you do. You can haul anywhere with one of those.

Regards,

Shian Yang

You can't do bubbles on the gates in lowsec.

Cherry picking? what do you then wardecc in highsec? Or should I ask how? Do you take a bowl and write all the corps name on a piece of paper then drop them in the bowl, shake twice and have a hot assistant pull out a name at random then wardecc that?

Ok, I am done sorry, enjoy.

Im not the one being hypocritical about it. I dont give a shi.t who gets annihilated in nullsec. If I find the right alliance ill be out there too. But 90% of the alliances suck as.s. And thats the hard truth. Maybe if alliances provided logistics for transport and fair revenue dispersion among its members there wouldn't be a shortage of players but they dont so were here in this thread.


So no, there isn't a shortage of players in Low sec or Null. There's a shortage of worthwhile alliances to join and thats those respective players own damn fault.

You want me to come to null and be your heavy interdictor pilot? In the words of "Pesci",

**** you, pay me

Because he pays for being in New Eden? Because it's a sandbox involving more than ships? Because this is not Space Invaders but a somewhat deeper game?

Because despite popular consensus, it's still not forbidden by the EULA to mine or build?




You have yet to find a bubbled, manned camp?

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There are multiple issues at hand but 2 strike out:

1) CCP content is missing, expecially in 0.0

2) Sov 0.0 player made content is missing.



1) This is a sandbox with PvP foundations. I think we can all agree on this basic thing.

Now, you can decline a PvP sandbox in many ways. The most obvious is ships PvP.

For some reason, a bunch of players not only want to only play ships PvP but want also to enforce it on everybody else.
This is rudely selfish. EvE is so large, it can accomodate all sorts of PvP, why should everybody do the same stuff?
Even WoW is not canned enough to force everybody do the same things.

Add to the above consideration, the simple and easily proven fact that in 0.0 the majority of structures are simply missing.
If 0.0 is just a lesser place, then people just won't move there.
You CANNOT deport say 50% of the hi sec population and pretend they can play there.
Where are the refineries? The labs? The stocked market hubs?

Some of these things may be created by major sov alliances. Stations are quite of an huge investment but even then, they provide support for a relatively scarce amount of players.
What about research facilities? Nope. In 0.0 you just get to put down a POS. Guess what, you have to convince the alliance leaders to let you setup a POS because nobody will let you use his or his alliance one (too easy to steal).
Usually (those in charge are of the "ships PvP > all" mentality) the reply is a resounding NO or a "lol if you want to do industry / research then you are a damn renter, go pay some billions a month just for existing here". Too bad a guy researching his capital parts BPOs won't have a dime to pay for 1 year.

Markets for your capital parts? Sure! Oh wait it's 10 jumps away. You either have your own cyno stuff or GTFO. Another hefty investment (plus 2 accounts) pre-requisite to have.
Ah, let's refine those ABC I just mined 3 jumps away. Nope. Refine rate sucks hard balls and who in their right mind would multi-jump with ore? It nerfs income per hour down to hi sec veldspar.
So let's wait for the "I play 4 hours a week" guy to online his Rorqual. Or have to buy your own Rorqual (more pre-requisites).

End result: why bother?

Either 0.0 makes it possible to achieve THE SAME OR BETTER structures and conveniences you may get in hi sec or 0.0 is worthless to anybody but ships PvP players and an handful of directors alts used for their own manufacturing.


I am ALL for having people WANT to go 0.0, but here's the catch: they have to WANT to go there not to have their life (knulla I am talking to you) turned so much into sh!t that they see 0.0 as the less sh!tty alternative.
This is not good game design, because this is not real life. People want to play a GAME where they pick what they prefer not what they are imprisoned into (being imprisoned is also something more WoWesque than EvE-esque).

In order to have a majority of playerbase WANT to move to 0.0, there HAS to have a way to bring ALL the hi sec good facilities in 0.0.

Risk is fine, playing like an hermit in a desert "because it's end game" is not.

And no, just because your alliance got 1000 other guys does not mean squat. You are still and always dependant on them even in the most menial tasks most of them won't care to log in just to help you making your stupid ammo.


2) As I posted in another thread: sov 0.0 is THE place for player made content.
Sov 0.0 is literally an empty canvas to be painted by them.

Problem with this is, if the sov 0.0 players use poo to paint the canvas, then it won't attract a lot of admirers.

Stop painting poop and act like pieces of poop and start creating the player made content to ENTICE (not FORCE) the other guys to join you, then you'll get them.

As of now all what I see are squealers shoting: "GUYS YOU MUST COME TO 0.0, IT'S WHERE YOU MUST BE OR YOU SUCK AND SHOULD BE TERMINATED". It's not good marketing.

What do you offer to those who want to leave hi sec? Good fites? OK that caters to some.
What about all the others, what do you offer them, since YOU are creating your content in there?

"But we don't need another bunch of cruddy industrialists, we are sorted". Reasonable. But then, leave them in peace and play YOUR game, without slamming it into their face.
Hi sec happens to be the place where you CAN be another one in a million cruddy industrialist and have fun.

Being in hi sec is separate from liking to play a certain profession. It just happens to be the place where you CAN play that profession without some self appointed game guru insulting you for your gaming style.