Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was thinking how I classed the Strategic Cruiser.

The game has it as a T3 cruiser but these seem like ships that out perform T2 battle cruisers. So would it also be a T3 BC as well?

Which brings me to the T3 battle ship.

Pieced together like the strategic cruiser, one option you can have is to make a Drone BS but instead of using drones, it can use fighters.

It allows for the creation of a sub capital carrier (for each race) if you want to but also allows people to take it in different directions. To suite their fancy.

It is my firm belief that having a Ship Maitenance functionality upon an Assault carrier would be less than good, as it is versed more in pure DPS and attack rather than providing for the needs of the fleet (such as an escort carrier or the support carrier ideas listed). Jumpdrives are a tricky thing, as we have the JF's which are almost as large as the carriers with their functionality to use gates and such, but I think on the assault carrier we should leave it as it is, with no jumpdrive support, unless it is a tech two version of the escort carrier.

So basically a cheap carrier for people who are too lazy to train for capitals & too stingey to buy one? Sure, I can get on board with this. Say hello to 1000-man escort carrier fleet doctrines that produce so much lag that our enemies can no longer defend their space.

Make them pirate carriers, so that cost makes them prohibitive instead of cheap. :)
Don't see it hs usable, sorry. Still needs to be able to jump, etc. Imagine this....

Gurista Tortoise

The Rabbit, wanting a new flagship wanted to avoid the pitfalls of slow to produce carriers and fighters.
Instead, his plan was for a drone-focused carrier, that trades the ability to launch a flight of fighters for quicker build time and a more agile carrier. It has a smaller jump drive and warp drive for this very reason.

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Fitting:
Low Slots: 7 (imagine drone damage augmenters)
Medium Slots: 7 (imagine light tank, but target painters and omnis)
High Slots: 0 (which means this ship must use drones to do all of its dirty work, no cloaking)

Powergrid: 100000 mw (to limit tank)
CPU: 1200
Calibration: 450
Rig size: Large

Max Velocity = 95m/s
Warp Velocity = .75au/sec
Jump capability = dread, not carrier.

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Special Ability: 50% movement bonus to drones.

Caldari Carrier Skill Bonuses:
Can deploy 2 additional Drones per level.
5% bonus to all Shield resistances per level.
5% bonus to all deployed Drone's durability.
10% bonus to all deployed shield maintenance Drone repping.
5% bonus to targetting range per level.

Gallente Carrier Skill Bonus
Can deploy 2 additional Drones per level.
5% bonus to all deployed Drone's damage per level.
5% bonus to all deployed Drone's tracking and optimal range.
10% bonus to all deployed armor repair Drone repping.
5% bonus to drone control range per level.


Drone bay: 3500m3
Corporate Hanger Capacity: 5000m3 - don't have to hold capital mods anyway. :)
Ship Maintenance Bay: 500000m3 - half a chimi.
Structure HP: 115,000 hp
Armor HP: 80,000 hp (30%. 20%, 25%, 25%)
Shield HP: 200,000 hp (30%, 40%, 50%, 40%)
Capacitor Capacity: 40000 gj
Recharge Time: 1500 s

Purpose: We miss the super carrier's ability to launch drones.
To be honest, capital shield + armor reppers + cloak + triage, fighter bombers, is broken.
In exchange for the ability to launch 25 drones, it loses the ability to launch fighters, use cloaks, etc.
It has to do all of its remote repping through drones.

Fine. The OP was horrific. Bring back something like a battlecruiser version of a Guardian Vexor. :p

Unfortunately, squabbling will do nothing to change anything as it is.

So far, we have established this much:

The Escort carrier idea as it currently is, is designed to move with battleship and battlecruiser gangs, and offer refitting capability and support through it's drones and such as a jack of all trades in order to give smaller roaming gangs more flexibility and such. So far, they are limited to ten concurrently used drones (up in the air at the moment on the subject of giving it the capability to go to 15), have no jumpdrive capability on the main escort carrier itself, and are allowed in high security space, but are classified as capital sized vessels slightly larger than an Orca or Rorqual. They have about two and a half times the maximum tank/buffer of a regular battleship, but are slower and more lumbering, and have a larger sig radius as well as less agility. Fighters were proposed to be used in high security space with the ship, but that was shot down due to the way fighter mechanics works; instead, it has a larger capability and usage of drones, with bonuses to them as far as I can tell.

It has been proposed several times to add different classes of the escort carrier to provide support in other ways. Other ideas that have featured prominently are the assault carrier and the support carrier, both of which would be more specialized in specific roles (damage and logistical support, respectively). The assault carrier was advised to have a greater ability and role bonus with drones, while the support carrier was proposed to have a single capital rep that could not be sustained by the support carrier's capacitor, necessitating the usage of a cap chain set up, as well as ideas focused around logistical repair drones, as well as having a larger SMA installed on it and such.


Hopefully this sums up some stuff for the new reader to this thread and prevents further argument over stuff already established thus far.

I believe that we should try and focus on working out little odds and ends with the design of this vessel class, if there are any left at all at this point as the topic has spanned around fifteen to seventeen pages at this point. What else can we go over detailing this vessel and it's offshoots so far?




TL;DR Talking Points:

• Escort carrier is deemed to be a capital class vessel so far.
• Established that it cannot use fighters.
• Debate currently on whether or not to leave it in low like other capitals, or allow it in highsec (most have leaned towards high).
• Proposed t2 variants have been offered, consensus is still out.

Hopefully this helps the thread out some.

EDIT: After being crapped on continuously since last night when I got my internet thrown out of order during a rainstorm that destroyed my well written reply, let me sum it up.

Carriers were already moved to lowsec once already, and not only that, the fighter mechanics as they are would not work well with highsec whatsoever (long range assignable drones? That can be recalled at any time? Ganker's dream.) Not only that, the massive tank on the ships and the buffer they can have can go into the millions of EHP, which means that the other side would have to bring capitals as well or slowly try to chip away at it.

Ergo, the Escort carrier is the best thing you'll get close to a carrier design that is highsec capable with the rules established so far, and not only that, is perhaps the next step up from something like a Dominix or Rattlesnake, and would be truly a drone oriented vessel.

Exactly.

And to the original comment from Angeal, its not really an orca kind of thing, more like a BS had a love child with a carrier....

Bumping, relevant to discussion at: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190889&find=unread

Needs back to the front page. CCP really needs to check this idea out (modular POS's are coming hopefully this will be next)