Warfare & Tactics

Complaining about PVP in EVE is like complaining that you get shot in a first person shooter: silly.

In 7 years playing Eve, I don't think I've ever seen even 1 wardec that wasn't a meaningless waste of time, or even involved an enemy I actually knew or had a beef with. I've had wardecs by one man corps that didn't even undock for the whole week (still trying to figure out why). It could almost be a random npc occurrence for all I know, but I assume there are actual players behind these. In practice, it is silly and worthless. If the enemy gets luck, maybe he blows up a noob or 2 in their cruisers.

That being said, I wouldn't get rid of it for anything. It's something no other game has (that I know of). It's ridiculously easy to be safe, if you choose to be, even in a time of war. I have yet to see an enemy follow me from high sec to low sec, for example. So even though in practice, it is a worthless mechanic, it adds a flavor to the game that just isn't found elsewhere.

Look, you can carebear to your heart's content in almost every mmo. Can't we have one...just one...that's just a little different? Please.

How about we just save CCP time and trouble and take an axe to the servers, either way the result is the same.

Glad to see many posters have already explained to the OPer that his assumptions on what a Sandbox MMO implied was light years from reality, get so bored of explaining that one. What's more very few of these people listen, it's complete denial, they want something to be a certain way and no amount of explaining or reasoning will sway them.

Something I didn't see mentioned is that in order to preserve the integrity and balance of the rest of the game should a means of completely opting out of PvP ever be added it would also mean such a player would have to also opt out of pretty much all of EVE. Nothing that interacts with the rest of the game, Industry, mining, PvE that pays out mods, ISK or LPs to by Mods, implants, blueprints, no interaction on the market, nothing. CCP would have to create a "PvP optout" ghetto where PvE paid these Optout players in a new currency, they have their own ships and mods that can only be used in their PvE content. In other words it would be a total waste of time.

Non consensual PVP is not griefing. Just because you do not like or want it does not mean it is grief. This is a game where everyone can interact with you in positive and negitive ways. It is a game where your choice matters. Because.you chose to avoid and not learn to pvp does not make PVP towards you an act of grief.

You choose to be a victim. Even if you do not want to shoot back you can still figure out other ways to solve your problems. Think, stratagize. Do not just sit there and try to force the game not to be mean to you because you decided after you started playing that you only liked one piece of the game. You decided not to take care of yourself in a game designed to make all of your actions count.

I hate bubbles with a Passion. I learned to move around them and deal with them. I don't come to the forums and demand that I recieve an anti bubble flag because they ruin my plans.

I do not understand how one can so blindly scream "exempt me because I do not want to take responsibility for my choices which include selecting a game with not 100% safe zone to play in and forces me to take responsibility for my choices" and think that any part of this out out plan can make sense.

You choose to only do non-PVP things in game. You chose to use your in game smile to avoid PVP. You chose to do activities that bring a higher PVP risk. That may be as simple as fitting a billion ISK worth of shinies on your ship. Choices were made. Not every action is going to end I. A positive manner. Thats one of the brilliant aspects of Eve that makes it so addicting.

Eve is full of a type of person willing to take responsibility for their choices. That must be to strange of a concept for you.

Well first things first this new war dec system is not going to change much if anything so let’s not worry about that.

But a thread like this comes along every other day and the same responses follow, EVE isn’t safe and go play WoW. We get it you're though the guys that want to PVE aren't. Big deal.

But do you really want people to leave the game? The number of active players is all that matters, whether you're a carebear, leet PVPer, industrial maniac or boring miner.

Mr All-Star PVPer needs to learn to understand that carebears pay for their game, that they need them to keep the game alive and to keep the game moving forward. Less subscribers, less development. It’s really that simple...

I tried WoW, I hated it but believe me CCP would will kick all of your asses out of the game if they could trade it in for the subscription numbers WoW has.

So give these people a couple of systems or a region, make the rewards and the rocks there half as good and create a risk and reward system thats already in place in the game as it is. Low sec plexes pay more than high sec ones etc etc

And to anyone that actually will read and respond to a reasonable argument, mine is based after doing almost all you can do in EVE. Null, Low, High, Wormhole. PI, Missions, Plexes, Exploration, Mining and PVP.

I liked most of those, I certainly love PVP and would never want to lose it. But scaring people away from the game is in no way, no way at all helping me to get more and better PVP.

The only thing that will make that happen is if the game grows and for it to grow you dont turn people away at the door certainly not in something that was designed to be a sandbox.

No, you are flat out wrong. It IS griefing. The only reason for high sec wardecs is to cause grief and get easy kills. It's pure schadenfreude.


No, the point of staying in high security space was NOT to be a victim. The amount of high sec war declarations and general grief play had skyrocketed exponentially in the past year. I believe this is caused by CCP's failure to rein in some of the excessive imbalances.


Bubbles cannot be placed in high security space. You could avoid encountering bubbles by staying out of low security space.


It has nothing to do with wanting exemptions, any everything to do with CCP making high security space actually secure. Nothing in the beginner portion of the game (when I started quite a long time ago) explained to me that you could be forcefully dragged into PvP no matter where you were. No, the game tutorial explained to me what high security space was and that I shouldn't venture into low or null sec space unless I was ok with being shot at by other players. The game even WARNS you when you go into low security space that you're entering a PvP area. There is no such warning when undocking in Jita.


Obviously. If I fly a 2 billion dollar pirate BS into old man star, I deserve to wake up in my clone, but when a person is doing everything in their power to operate in a safe fashion, that should be a possibility in the 'sandbox'.

"Eve is full of a type of person willing to take responsibility for their choices. That must be to strange of a concept for you."

Interesting choice for a personal attack. If I extend our in game personas to real life, I am a business person and you are a sociopath. Interesting parallel, eh?

Flat out, I understand that some people play this game solely because they can delight in the pain they cause to others. It's sad, but true. My only suggestion is that CCP create a way for other players to avoid these social outcasts.

I didn't know there was leet high sec pvpers. I learn something every day.

Fine. Opt out of PvP. But that includes opting out of Market PvP etc.

This means you opt out of:
1) Using the Market window at all (except NPC sell and buy orders)
2) Using the station trade window
3) Using jetcans (or those cans you use cannot be accessed by anyone else)
4) Using contracts
5) Sending money via the wallet
6) Using non-infinite resources (mining roids, doing complexes or anomalies, belt ratting)
7) Appearing or talking in Local (no invulnerable afk sitting)
8) Seeing other players (can't have this being abused by spies)
9) Ever escaping these restrictions once you

In other words, play on SISI if you want to opt out of PvP, cause everything that you do on Tranquility involves or affects other players.

Yes, it's a Multiplayer Sandbox. You can do whatever you want, everyone else can do whatever they want. When the wants of you and another player collide, you get PvP.


This guy explains it really well.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176