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Need a new L4 mission ship for upcoming drake rebalence.
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-06-14 07:28:15 UTC
Battlecruisers need a nerf, if anything. You should be running level 4 missions in a battleship.

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Flakey Foont
#42 - 2012-06-14 18:14:19 UTC
Koda Myr'koff wrote:
I ran some L4s in my Myrmikins for a little while. As others have said, doable but slower than just using a BS. I fitted arties as was the style at the time, but it might be better with hybrids now.

After that I ran a 2xLAR Domi with heavies, followed by a Navy Domi purely for the extra tank. Didn't really need it, but aggressing everything in a room and alt-tabbing is great when you get bored of L4s.

That's just me though. I'd say your drone skills are a bit lacking to be piloting a dedicated droneboat. Drone Interfacing V is a must, it adds so much and is a requirement for T2 drones. Think about what you want to fly in the future as well though, because there's little point sinking a lot of SP into drones if you plan on flying bay-less ships.



Good advice but Drone Interfacing 5 is not required for T2 drones.
Koda Myr'koff
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-06-15 06:10:10 UTC
So it isn't! It's been that long since I trained it, could have sworn that it was. Either way it's still invaluable.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-06-15 07:26:45 UTC
Koda Myr'koff wrote:
So it isn't! It's been that long since I trained it, could have sworn that it was. Either way it's still invaluable.

unless tengu :p

I should buy an Ishtar.
Constable Chang
#45 - 2012-06-20 03:38:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Keep using the drake. Even after the buff, it'll be useful — you just have to adjust your fit a bit and focus its tank a bit more. You could (and should) probably play to its new strengths a bit more and go all-out on that new damage output, and go for an active tank rather than the classic PST if that's what you're currently using.

[quote=Orlacc]A Myrm won't cut level 4s unless you have a lot of time to kill.
A Myrm handles L4s about as well as a Drake. It can put up the same kind of tank and do the same kind of damage. The only downside is that it's a a bit more skill-intensive, but you get a bit of ECM-invulnerability as part of the deal.

Myrm, even with the drone damage mods, does barely more dps than a Vexor cruiser. Myrm has the same drone bandwidth. Its only advantage is more (unbonused) turret slots and more lows (for drone damage mods). IMO Myrm is laughable as a mission ship.

Picking a couple of loadouts from BC and plugging them into EFT:

This Vexor:

[Vexor, Vexor: lvl 2 possible lvl 3?]
Medium Armor Repairer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Armor Thermic Hardener I
Armor Kinetic Hardener I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


3 x Ogre 2's

does 429 dps.

This Myrm:

[Myrmidon, Level 3 MissionRunner - 729.355 Skillpoints]
Medium Automated Carapace Restoration
Medium Automated Carapace Restoration
Experimental Armor EM Hardener I
Experimental Armor EM Hardener I
Experimental Armor Thermic Hardener I
Experimental Armor Thermic Hardener I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
200mm Compressed Coil Gun I
Drone Link Augmentor I

3 x Ogre 2's

does 409 dps.

The difference being that the Vexor is doing more damage with its (bonused) turrets than the Myrm with its (unbonused) turrets.

One could probably replace more low slot tank mods with drone damage mods on the Myrm and less on the Vexor, taking them more or less to parity. But the Myrm needs more bandwidth. At least to field 4 heavies.
Koda Myr'koff
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-06-20 09:29:04 UTC
Would just like to point out that if you have 75m³ bandwidth then 3 heavies is wrong. Assuming everything at V and T2 drones w/ no modules-

3x Ogre = 285dps
2x Ogre, 2x Hammerhead, 1x Hobgoblin = 315dps

Not only is the paper DPS higher, but you can apply it that little bit quicker.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-06-20 10:39:14 UTC
from where you are: Running LVL 4 missions in a Drake ->

Nighthhawk -> Probably fastest if you have Battlecruiser 5 already

Raven-> Fastes if you don't have Battlecruiser 5 (Cruise Missles and Battles ships, base skills need to be higher than with Battlecruisers, Mission Precision skill is a must)

SNI-> Cheap low skill Faction Battleship, if you can afford it this is a very nice and underrated ship to run LvL 4 missions in can be trained rather fast as well.

CNR-> High Skill Expensive Faction Battleship, High skill, Ded Space and Faction moduls needed to out perform the SNI

Tengu-> Smartphone of the EVE universe, every one has one or wants one, cool but f&*^& expensive and to be honest not realy needed for High-sec Lvl 4 missions, if you have the money and skills, yeah go for it. Remember hull is little over 200 mil ISk but with subsystems it's the most expensive of them all.

Gila-> cool ship, though I'd rather use it for low and 0.0 sec

Rattlesnake -> Yawn!!!! nice if you have 6 alts to run as well.

All these ships maybe with the exception of the Raven should be able to run all LVL 4 missions solo.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#48 - 2012-06-20 10:48:20 UTC
A Raven can easily solo Level 4s.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-06-20 11:36:32 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
A Raven can easily solo Level 4s.



Could be, never flown it when I optained the higher skill lvl's but I'll believe you on your word.

Though I'm rather curious to see it running Enemies about 5 or the Bonus lvls on the extra vaganza's
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#50 - 2012-06-20 13:28:22 UTC
Mike Whiite wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
A Raven can easily solo Level 4s.



Could be, never flown it when I optained the higher skill lvl's but I'll believe you on your word.

Though I'm rather curious to see it running Enemies about 5 or the Bonus lvls on the extra vaganza's



Doing fully selectable max DPS out to the edge of lock range really helps. Note that I didn't say that the Raven would quickly and efficiently do all level 4s. Just that it's capable of them. Use the LiangFit for best results.

A CNR with T2 Cruise launchers, on the other hand, will easily sail through.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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