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Need a new L4 mission ship for upcoming drake rebalence.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2012-05-20 10:14:03 UTC
Keep using the drake. Even after the buff, it'll be useful — you just have to adjust your fit a bit and focus its tank a bit more. You could (and should) probably play to its new strengths a bit more and go all-out on that new damage output, and go for an active tank rather than the classic PST if that's what you're currently using.

Orlacc wrote:
A Myrm won't cut level 4s unless you have a lot of time to kill.
A Myrm handles L4s about as well as a Drake. It can put up the same kind of tank and do the same kind of damage. The only downside is that it's a a bit more skill-intensive, but you get a bit of ECM-invulnerability as part of the deal.

Linna Excel wrote:
Wait, you are shield tanking a myrm? It's not like you can't, but you're missing out on its bonus.
Funnily enough, Myrms shield-tank better than they armour-tank, assuming you go for a passive one. Going the shield route will handily let you put up the same level tank in the same exact way as the Drake. The advantage is that the Myrm can do both with similar results: active-tank it with armour (and an AB) or passive-tank it with shields. It can be a tight squeeze with the CPU if you shield tank it, but it has surprisingly roomy fitting space.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#22 - 2012-05-20 15:10:20 UTC
As said before Myrms lack range a little, Sentry Domi is a beast if you're willing to train.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#23 - 2012-05-20 17:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Nighthawk gets no respect i see, and it would be cheaper than a tengu and can still do near 700 Dps with T2 heavy missiles and has a huge tank, not to mention that if said tengu is fitted for maximum damage( subsystems wise), it does not have a drone bay at all, and that comes in handy for webbing/ warp scrambling frigates trying to keep you pinned down.



I'm just a 9 year old char playing the game, but as it stands, i'd rather have the nighthawk anyday over the tengu, and to add another benefit, you don't lose SP if your nighthawk blows up...Blink
Annolyn Thoth
Umbral Cabal
#24 - 2012-05-21 03:07:55 UTC
Nighthawk is nice for L4, but I also agree that Tengu is the sex.

Also drones/webbing frigs are not an issue if you have decent skills and carry some precision missiles. Tbh if you have decent skills and rigs they're not even an issue if you just use furies.
stoicfaux
#25 - 2012-05-21 17:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
digitalwanderer wrote:
Nighthawk gets no respect i see, and it would be cheaper than a tengu and can still do near 700 Dps with T2 heavy missiles and has a huge tank, not to mention that if said tengu is fitted for maximum damage( subsystems wise), it does not have a drone bay at all, and that comes in handy for webbing/ warp scrambling frigates trying to keep you pinned down.



I'm just a 9 year old char playing the game, but as it stands, i'd rather have the nighthawk anyday over the tengu, and to add another benefit, you don't lose SP if your nighthawk blows up...Blink

For mission running, the nighthawk is pretty 'meh' compared to Le Tengu. Reduced range, reduced missile speed, inferior tank, higher skill reqs, bigger sig size, lower speed, etc.. The NH's drones and increased buffer don't make up for it, IMHO.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#26 - 2012-05-21 17:42:35 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
For mission running, the nighthawk is pretty 'meh' compared to Le Tengu. Reduced range, reduced missile speed, inferior tank, higher skill reqs, bigger sig size, lower speed, etc.. The NH's drones and increased buffer don't make up for it, IMHO.
The NH makes up for it by being a bit easier to omnitank and by having more options (including its missile bonuses) for dealing with small targets. If you ever want to shoot rogue drones, I'd say it'll do a better job at it than the Tengu will.
Lili Lu
#27 - 2012-05-21 18:49:09 UTC
I have another character that missions in a Nighthawk and a Domi. It is all part of using the right tool for the particular mission. Options help you to decide on tanking armor or shield, using kinetic or another damage type.

Ytterbiums dev blog on ship rebalancing has a chart iirc about how they intend to rebalance tech II v tech III ships. Readin between the lines it appears the Nighthawk may get a buff while the Tengu may get a nerf. If one can fly a Tengu all the skills are already there for flying a Nighthawk except for the ship skills. Alternately, I would not rule out a second look at the Cerb, which may also be slated for buff (along with all HACs, one can hope).

Regardless, having more than one mission ship is just as smart as having more than one ship you can use in pvp. Getting too dependant on any one ship inevitably will not be good for one's enjoyment of this game.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#28 - 2012-05-21 22:58:56 UTC
Annolyn Thoth wrote:
Nighthawk is nice for L4, but I also agree that Tengu is the sex.

Also drones/webbing frigs are not an issue if you have decent skills and carry some precision missiles. Tbh if you have decent skills and rigs they're not even an issue if you just use furies.




Even with precision missiles, it might still take 3 volleys to kill one frig, and if doing gallente or caldari missions, expect a lot of frigates either doing ECM/ webbing/ warp scrambling(caldari) or cutting your lock range and increasing your lock time significantly( gallente).


T2 missiles fired in groups of 6 and using 3 volleys( unless the NPC frig is using it's MWD) sometimes costs more isk than the bounty on the ship itself, hence why i like the drones so much since apart from the fact that once bought they don't cost anything to use, and automatically move to the next frigate, while the heavy missiles are concentrated on bigger targets...



What i want is more T3 ships in the game and the skills needed to fly them(battlecruisers, battleships), since i have nearly 80 million sp in ship command alone, and running out of skills in that skill tree at a pretty fast pace, and there's 117 million in total if you max everything out, even non combat ships...I'm getting there within a year.
Denarus Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-05-22 03:27:08 UTC
Domis or rattlesnakes are great for mission running. Fantastic tank and the ability to **** face with drone. If you're training for t2 sentries that's what you want.

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Pickle Weasel
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-23 01:51:13 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:
..Why not Raven >> CNR?



Also the ISK differance between Drank and Raven/CNR is alot.
Might not have the ISK for it.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#31 - 2012-05-24 03:16:05 UTC
Rattle is a much better choice when compared to the CNR considering their both about the same price.

The rattle is a long long term training undertaking, but in the end all your training are Core skills mainly in Drones and shield tanking, which are really neat to have on any caldari/gallante hybrid.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#32 - 2012-05-24 06:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I use a Tengu or a Raven Navy Issue. Which one I use largely depends on my mood, though the RNI is better for non-kinetic weak NPC.

Nighthawk is great too: a cheaper but more skill intensive Tengu.

I find the Golem is really only useful in missions vs. Angels.

Lately I've been running missions in Minmatar ships for a change of pace. I really like artillery.

My alt uses T2 sentry drones and a Rattlesnake. It chews-up anything; despite its lower EFT rating, in reality it seems to be able to apply a larger percentage of its DPS to targets. Note that all racial sentry drones are effective.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2012-05-24 09:40:20 UTC
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
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I can fly a Myrmidon with an equal shield tank to my drake atm, but it has limited range.



If the proposed change were ever to go through, your Drake would be a better mission ship than it is now.

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Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#34 - 2012-05-24 22:06:44 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
Rattle is a much better choice when compared to the CNR considering their both about the same price.

The rattle is a long long term training undertaking, but in the end all your training are Core skills mainly in Drones and shield tanking, which are really neat to have on any caldari/gallante hybrid.


The only reason to get a RS over the other ships is if you intend to multibox and want a leave and forget drone ship, or afk mission. Otherwise the RS is pretty abysmal and less interesting to play than mining.

It's also not better than a CNR other than it's tank, which is needed due to its slow kill rate in comparison to the CNR.

Also the skills needed to make flying a RS worthwhile you could have trained to fly a tengu.

It is not in anyway to say the RS isn't great, but in comparison, a CNR will complete missions faster.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-05-24 23:39:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Myrms shield-tank better than they armour-tank


Not even close.
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#36 - 2012-05-25 04:01:27 UTC
Why is the SNI never talked about? It's half as much as a RNI and has better tank

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Duane Prowler
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-10 15:11:01 UTC
What are they doing to the drake?
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#38 - 2012-06-12 00:18:17 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Why is the SNI never talked about? It's half as much as a RNI and has better tank


because you buy out a certain type of ship, reprice it and then talk about it on the forums.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#39 - 2012-06-13 01:09:03 UTC
With the skills OP got.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-13 10:05:16 UTC
I ran some L4s in my Myrmikins for a little while. As others have said, doable but slower than just using a BS. I fitted arties as was the style at the time, but it might be better with hybrids now.

After that I ran a 2xLAR Domi with heavies, followed by a Navy Domi purely for the extra tank. Didn't really need it, but aggressing everything in a room and alt-tabbing is great when you get bored of L4s.

That's just me though. I'd say your drone skills are a bit lacking to be piloting a dedicated droneboat. Drone Interfacing V is a must, it adds so much and is a requirement for T2 drones. Think about what you want to fly in the future as well though, because there's little point sinking a lot of SP into drones if you plan on flying bay-less ships.
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