EVE General Discussion

What is it, then?

Slow =/= lag.

TiDi = slow motion



Lag = Server trips, packets missed, requests lost, hanging, node crashes rubberbanding, black screens.

TiDi is not creating lag. It's solving lag. It fixes lag. If you remove TiDi in a high traffic situation, you are creating lag because the server falls behind and cannot keep up.

It's not an early warning system as you suggest. It's a 'keep pace with the requests so everyone's shots fire and warp requests get made".

Two COMPLETELY different things.

But keep posting... it's good!

I want to see slow motion of my ship undocking. Gets a bit boring to watch my ship still in hangar after 7+ minutes.

That's precicely what lag is!

Again, slow motion =/= lag.

When the server can no longer keep up with the requests 1000's of people send to it, it slows the world down to reduce lag. Lag would be if you send in the jump request and that request never gets processed.

Lag is when your request gets lost.

So how I can undock now if TiDi isn't causing this? Do I have to change setting or what?



High latency doesn't cause lag?

You as the player create requests and by interacting with the client, which sends them to the server. Lag means that you cannot send requests at a normal speed, but they are being slowed down. Either because they are being lost on the way and need to be resend, or they get queued up and their processing delayed. In the end does it slow you down.

With TiDi do you have no real lag, but you are still being slowed down. It creates the illusion of the universe slowing down, while it really only does so for the affected systems and not all of EVE. It does not slow down the node. The node itself simply cannot process requests faster (or slower) than before. This illusion is what I call an artificial lag. It has a very similar effect to real lag. It only manages and warns players in a graceful way about the fact that the numbers of players connected to a node is increasing and the system is reaching is capacity.

Again, it is not a real lag. TiDi creates an artificial lag, one that can be managed.

No, you said that lag is when server fails to respond when it doesn't know what client requested.

Still on station. 10+ minutes...

Actually, no. That's lagging out, i.e. the server is lagging so badly that your requests is exceeding a certain timer and is rejected/lost. The press undock, wait 7+ minutes etc is actually lag, mainly because the act of actually undocking is very, very CPU intensive for oldfashioned and ******** reasons which I believe is going to be refactored sooner or later by CCP Awesome Neckbeard, and as such take a long time to process.

The difference from pre-tidi to post-tidi is that pre-tidi the request would take so long to process it'd lag out, whereas post-tidi it's still actually going to get processed.


You really, really don't understand what TiDi does, do you?

Here's where you're mistaken sir.

The requests aren't slowed down. Only the speed in which they are processed so that they all get through the queue.

I can send requests at a normal speed. Hell, I even get a proper response quicker, now.


Yes, that's what's called tidi, as in time dilation. It slows down time, it doesn't lag your requests.


Nope. Wrong. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "warning players in a graceful way about the fact the numbers of players connected to a node is increasing" etc etc etc, and everything to do with degrading gracefully instead of [i[crashing and burning[/i] and behaving erratically.