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EvE Online, The Antisocial MMO
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Benjamin Eastwood
#201 - 2012-07-10 18:16:12 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
John Schlong wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game


No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it.

I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.


oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game


He wasn't afk, he was mining. A ship warped in, then warped out, he thought it was someone just looking for belt rats to fight, so he didn't think to much about it. Several seconds later that same ship warps back in at a range of 1000m and kills him in the first volley. You don't have to be AFK to die in a point-blank alpha strike.




Maybe he should have fitted a tank, flown away, done something other than get lazy and complacent. I don't like the goons either, but I don't make them into a bogeyman just because I failed to take preventative action to protect my assets. Suicide ganking is a perfectly legitimate form of griefing.

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#202 - 2012-07-10 19:19:48 UTC
I agree with the OP but in a general way. Not all players want to directly engage others, some just want to go about their own business and not be harassed. Most other MMOs handle this with an RP server or a non-PvP server. That is not an option in a single shard universe.

I think CCP would be wise to heed this notion. As another poster said, trying to force these types of players into confrontation via null/low sec wont work. They dont want to be in a situation where they worry about being attacked all the time. If they cant avoid it, they simply wont play.

CCP needs to seriously adjust the incentives for antisocial behavior in highsec. Penalties for suicide attacks need to be increased. Bonuses for a ship's age need to be added (through crew and training), and a capsuleer that suicides his crew too often needs to find it difficult to get more.

Do what you want in null, but I dont know why you antisocials insist on taking pleasure in ruining someones day.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#203 - 2012-07-10 19:34:41 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
I agree with the OP but in a general way. Not all players want to directly engage others, some just want to go about their own business and not be harassed.


Then this is the wrong game for them, and the kindest thing to do is to tell them to unsub and find something else to do.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2012-07-10 19:40:39 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
I agree with the OP but in a general way. Not all players want to directly engage others, some just want to go about their own business and not be harassed. Most other MMOs handle this with an RP server or a non-PvP server. That is not an option in a single shard universe.

I think CCP would be wise to heed this notion......

Crap, Crap and more Crap....


Why is it so hard for you risk adverse people to understand that the entire game's economy is linked? Allowing people to farm isk in total safety is bad. There needs to be loss for there to be a healthy economy. If everyone has monstrous stacks of isk, that isk loses value. If everyone has two Mach's in their hanger then what value does a Mach have? If people are so risk adverse they refuse to leave high sec, I salute those that bring the risk to them. I do wish gankers would start going after mission boats and leave hulks alone. Killing hulks just gives Goons isk, considering most of the cost of a Hulk is tech.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#205 - 2012-07-10 19:42:48 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.

EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.

No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship

It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)

By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely

I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.


You named your character John Schlong and you are complaining that Eve is antisocial.


Seriously, WTF?
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#206 - 2012-07-10 19:53:00 UTC
Quote:
Why is it so hard for you risk adverse people to understand that the entire game's economy is linked? Allowing people to farm isk in total safety is bad. There needs to be loss for there to be a healthy economy. If everyone has monstrous stacks of isk, that isk loses value


Its totally OK to allow SOME people to make infinite loot creating a class separation similar to the global economic crisis we are facing now however, huh? Like nullbots and techmoons. It's totally ok for some people to have a "cash machine" as my good friend soundwave put it.
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#207 - 2012-07-10 20:03:29 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.


Actually, that's most of the internet in general. Not that I don't feel your pain, but the problem isn't Goons per se; the problem is people and the overall ugliness that is human nature when safely shielded behind anonymity and a monitor.

While Mittens may be evil, he is brilliantly so. He has managed to take this negative aspect of human nature and turn it around in a massive personal advantage; Kind of like how Genghis Khan managed to unite all the barbaric, goat-raping clans of Mongolia under his banner by pointing his sword west and saying "More goats that way, guys, now who's with me?!" He has gazed into the vilest black pits of the human spirit of thousands of EvE players and said "There is great power here, and I shall harvest it." Star Wars couldn't give you a better Sith Lord. I have to kind of admire that, because it has quite obviously worked, and worked well.

The sound of the Amarrian heart
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#208 - 2012-07-10 20:18:36 UTC
There are a lot of different player types in this game. I for one may scam you, but will happily chat your ear off if you open a convo box. That doesn't make me anti-social... it just makes me a bit of a d-bag, sometimes.

Socially players are pretty friendly in my experience... it's just when you get down to game play and ISK, internet spaceships get serious and someone may take everything you left vulnerable.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#209 - 2012-07-10 20:28:21 UTC
OP, not everyone in new eden is a douche. i know it seems that this isn't the case due to the fact that this game encourages, rewards and celebrates the worst types of behavior, but i encourage you to check out RvB. it's an extremely laid back environment with no pressure and non-stop pvp. after almost 3 years of eve, it's by far the most fun i've had.

eve online original intro
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#210 - 2012-07-10 20:48:59 UTC
I stopped reading at "loosing."

You may think players aren't very nice (because they want to stick their ship up your arse) but obviously you haven't interacted with many people.
flummox
#211 - 2012-07-10 20:52:56 UTC
John Schlong wrote:

No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship



why must people actually move PLEXs? unless you're a trader and trying to move them for sale on the open market, there is NO REASON to move the PLEX... at all. you can APPLY THEM FROM ANYWHERE IN THE GAME through your Assets interface. with the Contracts feature, unless you are buying/selling on the Open Market, there is NO REASON TO MOVE A PLEX...

stupid people...

flummox
Xion Martinus
Doomheim
#212 - 2012-07-10 22:00:22 UTC
Xion is scared that a Doomheim ghost can still post in the Forums... *shudder*

Epeen:  Behavior quite commonly found on online discussion boards or similar, where some loser tries to establish his superiority - and thus the merit of his or her opinion - by stating how skilled and awesome he or she is, rather than forming a sound argument. Generally also used to condescendingly refer to someones ego.
yopparai
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#213 - 2012-07-10 22:30:10 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
[quote=Blade Ripley]I WANT to play eve, and I WANT to enjoy the experience, but there are too many people that think eve MUST be PvP, 24/7, in EVERY system.


EvE Online was built around the idea of pvp 23/7 in every system. I don't think you understand the basic idea that is EvE Online.

Yopp
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#214 - 2012-07-10 22:38:00 UTC
flummox wrote:
John Schlong wrote:

No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship



why must people actually move PLEXs? unless you're a trader and trying to move them for sale on the open market, there is NO REASON to move the PLEX... at all. you can APPLY THEM FROM ANYWHERE IN THE GAME through your Assets interface. with the Contracts feature, unless you are buying/selling on the Open Market, there is NO REASON TO MOVE A PLEX...

stupid people...


While the OP is missing the whole point of the game and probably could be filed under "stupid", I must point out that your reading comprehension is lacking. The OP didn't say someone lost 2 plex in a ship. He/she said 2 plex worth of ships, meaning around 800 mil or whatever the hell plex goes for these days.

Just sayin.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#215 - 2012-07-10 22:45:55 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw.


lol what


What what? It's true. I guess it depends on your definition of "care bear" but whatever.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#216 - 2012-07-11 00:07:21 UTC
OP went poof.

John Schlong cannot be found.

There is currently no character profile with the name John Schlong

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flummox
#217 - 2012-07-11 00:51:26 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
flummox wrote:
John Schlong wrote:

No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship



why must people actually move PLEXs? unless you're a trader and trying to move them for sale on the open market, there is NO REASON to move the PLEX... at all. you can APPLY THEM FROM ANYWHERE IN THE GAME through your Assets interface. with the Contracts feature, unless you are buying/selling on the Open Market, there is NO REASON TO MOVE A PLEX...

stupid people...


While the OP is missing the whole point of the game and probably could be filed under "stupid", I must point out that your reading comprehension is lacking. The OP didn't say someone lost 2 plex in a ship. He/she said 2 plex worth of ships, meaning around 800 mil or whatever the hell plex goes for these days.

Just sayin.


you, sir, just won +1 internets. and i lost...

flummox
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#218 - 2012-07-11 02:32:36 UTC
Ur stuffs, OP: I can haz?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#219 - 2012-07-11 02:34:56 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
OP went poof.

John Schlong cannot be found.

There is currently no character profile with the name John Schlong


Good.

Working as intended.

Because Soundwave is right in that bit he said about a "a certain kind of customer" being OK to lose.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Herr Hammer Draken
#220 - 2012-07-11 02:58:52 UTC
The goons are after Jita. Their alts are concentrated there. They like the target rich environment where the large high value targets hang out. The more they can destroy the more they can sell at Jita. If you live in high sec and hang out in Jita you are playing their game. The goons also win if they drive you out of Jita as they can gain all the resources in that region for their alts.
It is a win, win situation for them and keeps the game from getting boring for their pilots.

So if you want to play in the sandbox around Jita you have to fight the goons game. Which is where just about everybody in high sec wants to be. There is a whole lot of high sec besides Jita.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"