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Wormholes are too easy/safe

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#81 - 2012-05-16 18:12:36 UTC
Hey, I wonder if any Arek'jaalen project leads are in this thread...
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#82 - 2012-05-17 10:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Nathan Jameson wrote:
El Geo wrote:
for those of you trying to say that you know this 'fact' that k162's only spawn when the other side is warped to LOL, you have no facts, you have only your opinion


Sure...if you ignore the evidence posted on this thread and the Arek'Jalaan project, sure.


Snapshot didnt have enough players to cover the whole of highsec, conclusive evidence just isnt there atm. So yeah, its still a matter of opinion NOT evidence.

Infact i spoke to faulx the other day about this same subject, and hes still running tests.

/me goes onto sisi, scans down numerous k162's, evidence?

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#83 - 2012-05-17 13:46:34 UTC
Actually I know for a fact.

We recently collapsed every link in our wh to run some sites and mid-way through running had a wh link spawn to us and another corp (who I know from the AHARM public channel) tried to jump us (unsucessfully as we monitor sigs whilest running). On talking to them they'd done the same as us - collapsed all links, left their static un-warped to and run sites, then once sites were done warped to their static, which then linked to us, looking for some pew before bed and we were the first system they linked to.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2012-05-17 13:53:52 UTC
Taz Edenrunner wrote:
Noone can stop a WH from opening by not warping to it from their direction, someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.

If you close a WH to force another to respwan and do not warp to it, there is nothing stopping someone on the other side from scanning it down and warping to it causing the WH to open


No. Check the Arek'Jaalan snapshoot project results.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#85 - 2012-05-17 14:20:02 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Taz Edenrunner wrote:
Noone can stop a WH from opening by not warping to it from their direction, someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.

If you close a WH to force another to respwan and do not warp to it, there is nothing stopping someone on the other side from scanning it down and warping to it causing the WH to open


No. Check the Arek'Jaalan snapshoot project results.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Project_Snapshot

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Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#86 - 2012-05-17 20:36:21 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Hayaishi wrote:
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.


I'm sure it's documented somewhere. I know it, but wont tell you.


Fine, then if its true, why wouldn't both ends open on forming? Won't that make W-space too safe for those inhabiting it? ( I am currently habiting W-space :) )

I feel both ends should be opened (connected) once formed and thus the people inside the W-space cannot control their safety by "not opening" the newly formed Wormhole.

It sounds like Easy mode to me in W-space.


There is a difference between a WH signature and the WH itself. When you scan, you are scanning the wormhole signature. When you click Warp to, the WH will spawn. It will not spawn until someone warps to it.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#87 - 2012-05-17 20:39:30 UTC
Taz Edenrunner wrote:
Noone can stop a WH from opening by not warping to it from their direction, someone can open the WH from the other side of the connection.

If you close a WH to force another to respwan and do not warp to it, there is nothing stopping someone on the other side from scanning it down and warping to it causing the WH to open



Nub
T G Reaper
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-05-17 21:20:16 UTC
the only thing i gathered from this thread is that the guys from the enviromental management team corp speaks in local in wh space and thinks they are safe if they keep their static closed. anyone maybe have a locus sig for me while i gets my cloaky loki refueled?
Kazu'ul
OMG PWNAGE
#89 - 2012-05-18 08:55:38 UTC
Tell me if I'm wrong, but the existence of a wormhole signature wherever it leads to allows it to be scanned, and thus warped to, and thus 'spawned'.

Sooooo,, how are you 'safe' by not warping to your static? Wherever your static links to also has a sig in that system, right? One that can be scanned and warped to.... Or is it just a matter of the link-to system not having the wormhole sig until someone from origin system warps to the hole? That's the only possibility I can think of.

It doesn't seem to make w-space 'safe' but rather 'slightly safer' as there is 1 less link to you. As others have stated, there's always the possiblity that an exit hole will appear in your system from J155YARR.

I love talking in wormhole local too. Lots of friendly chat there. Sometimes I even sell contracts to visitors.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#90 - 2012-05-18 10:06:34 UTC
Kazu'ul wrote:
Tell me if I'm wrong, but the existence of a wormhole signature wherever it leads to allows it to be scanned, and thus warped to, and thus 'spawned'.

Sooooo,, how are you 'safe' by not warping to your static? Wherever your static links to also has a sig in that system, right? One that can be scanned and warped to.... Or is it just a matter of the link-to system not having the wormhole sig until someone from origin system warps to the hole? That's the only possibility I can think of.

It doesn't seem to make w-space 'safe' but rather 'slightly safer' as there is 1 less link to you. As others have stated, there's always the possiblity that an exit hole will appear in your system from J155YARR.

I love talking in wormhole local too. Lots of friendly chat there. Sometimes I even sell contracts to visitors.


The targeted system doesn`t have a local signature of the wh until someone warps to the original signature in the origin system.
In other words, K162 are created by players warping to the XXXX (I.E. K346) wormhole. The only case that this happens.
Other signatures are created randomly.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2012-05-18 11:35:47 UTC
Kazu'ul wrote:
Tell me if I'm wrong, but the existence of a wormhole signature wherever it leads to allows it to be scanned, and thus warped to, and thus 'spawned'.

Sooooo,, how are you 'safe' by not warping to your static? Wherever your static links to also has a sig in that system, right? One that can be scanned and warped to.... Or is it just a matter of the link-to system not having the wormhole sig until someone from origin system warps to the hole? That's the only possibility I can think of.

It doesn't seem to make w-space 'safe' but rather 'slightly safer' as there is 1 less link to you. As others have stated, there's always the possiblity that an exit hole will appear in your system from J155YARR.

I love talking in wormhole local too. Lots of friendly chat there. Sometimes I even sell contracts to visitors.


Omg really? 89 posts and you ask this? You have either no bothered two read any of this thread or you have the reading comprehension of a preschooler.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#92 - 2012-05-18 12:19:21 UTC
so, by a lot of this threads logic i should be able to go onto the test server and not find a single k162, or if i do "someone MUST have scanned it from the other side and warped to it"?

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-05-18 12:27:04 UTC
El Geo wrote:
so, by a lot of this threads logic i should be able to go onto the test server and not find a single k162, or if i do "someone MUST have scanned it from the other side and warped to it"?


Correct. In fact it has been discussed before how difficult it is to find a WH on Sisi, since you are relying heavily on random inbound WH's.

It is a bit easier these days with many WH's inhabited, as those people will likely find themselves in their WH when logging into SiSi (I know I did).
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#94 - 2012-05-18 14:43:11 UTC
El Geo wrote:
so, by a lot of this threads logic i should be able to go onto the test server and not find a single k162, or if i do "someone MUST have scanned it from the other side and warped to it"?


In theory you should only find outgoing wormholes - some people spawn in their wh and scan outwards tho rather than using the moveme channel and a few people explore wh space on SISI so some k162s do exist just not many.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#95 - 2012-05-18 16:19:37 UTC
So, the only way to actually prove this theory is to have every highsec system scanned down at the same time on the test server.

Thankyou

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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#96 - 2012-05-18 17:25:55 UTC
El Geo wrote:
So, the only way to actually prove this theory is to have every highsec system scanned down at the same time on the test server.

Thankyou


Eh, it's true if you were to go to SiSi, you will find almost no wormholes. In fact this is such a problem that devs stickied a thread in the forums once explaining it.