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Wormholes are too easy/safe

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#1 - 2012-05-12 17:57:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.
Hayaishi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-12 18:22:43 UTC
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.


I'm sure it's documented somewhere. I know it, but wont tell you.
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#3 - 2012-05-12 18:30:16 UTC
They open when warped to.

Think both sides open, I've had people come through wormholes I only spawned but never jumped through.

If they didn't, that would seem a bit weird.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#4 - 2012-05-12 18:31:19 UTC
Hayaishi wrote:
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.


I'm sure it's documented somewhere. I know it, but wont tell you.


Fine, then if its true, why wouldn't both ends open on forming? Won't that make W-space too safe for those inhabiting it? ( I am currently habiting W-space :) )

I feel both ends should be opened (connected) once formed and thus the people inside the W-space cannot control their safety by "not opening" the newly formed Wormhole.

It sounds like Easy mode to me in W-space.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#5 - 2012-05-12 18:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Pohbis wrote:
They open when warped to.

Think both sides open, I've had people come through wormholes I only spawned but never jumped through.

If they didn't, that would seem a bit weird.



But both sides are findable (scanable)? Why wouldn't they open regardless if whether we warped to them or not? I say just open both sides on forming and have it done with. I was told today that they ensure their safety in W-space by "keeping the wormhole closed" - ie., not warping to it. So it is too easy to manipulate Wspace for ones own safety.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-05-12 18:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.


hmm how can you say wormhole are too easy/safe when you don't even know how they work?
Wormholes can open anywhere and do NOT need to be jumped through to be activated..

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-12 18:36:30 UTC
W-Space is not easy mode. Far from it.....W-Space is Eve hard mode.

Indeed when your new exit spawns it only opens when you initiate warp to it so in that respect yes your safe from intruders incoming from that hole.

However there are always incoming wormholes spawning into your system, with no local you have no idea if anyone is there....cloaked....waiting.

The only way to make sure you are safe is to have scouts on all wormholes in system. If anyone comes in you'll know about it.
Lady Starfire
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-12 18:36:34 UTC
Wormholes are systems that stay there they do not go in and out of existence. The holes to them exist on both sides.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#9 - 2012-05-12 18:38:09 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Miilla wrote:
is it true that wormholes when formed, don't actually open the other side until they're jumped through or are both sides open on forming?

can somebody explain how wormhole formation works regarding entry and exit on forming.


hmm how can you say wormhole are too easy/safe when you don't even know how they work?
Wormholes can open anywhere and do NOT need to be jumped through to be activated..


I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.

Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#10 - 2012-05-12 18:38:24 UTC
Lady Starfire wrote:
Wormholes are systems that stay there they do not go in and out of existence. The holes to them exist on both sides.


Duh.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-05-12 18:39:42 UTC
does anyone understand what the gripe is here? doesn't seem that important of an issue for to me. as far as safety goes there are far greater things to worry about in WH space than whether the hole opened on both sides or not.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#12 - 2012-05-12 18:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Barbara Nichole wrote:
does anyone understand what the gripe is here? doesn't seem that important of an issue for to me. as far as safety goes there are far greater things to worry about in WH space than whether the hole opened on both sides or not.



Just wondering because it sounded like the inhabitant of a WH has the ABILITY to control the wormhole by "not warping to it" , ie., keeping it closed. They said to me that makes them safe. Wormholes shouldn't be safe.

I am in a C2 right now and have been for a while, and it is next to EMPTY , nobody comes in nor out, they said they controlled the newly spawned W-space C4 connection wormhole by "keeping it closed"..

Well, that seems to make them feel safer... I am just asking why occupiers in W-space would need the game mechanic to have the ability to control their safety by "not warping to" a newly formed w-hole.

I thought W-space was suppost to be the MOST DANGERIOUS place, i am finding it the safest place in Eve. I am often AFK in W-space and surin tthese forums without fear of being in danger lol. This W-system is my personal region taxi :)
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#13 - 2012-05-12 18:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Miilla wrote:
I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.

Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not.
Please continue thinking you are safe 'cause you keep your static from spawning Roll
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#14 - 2012-05-12 18:45:51 UTC
Pohbis wrote:
Miilla wrote:
I am living in one right now but was supprised to hear that a corp inside it can CONTROL their safety by keeping a newly spawned wormhole CLOSED. To me that is EASY mode by ensuring they are safe.

Why would they need the ability to keep a wormhole closed? Surely the wormhole mechanics should be out of player CONTROL, but apparently it is not.
Please continue thinking you are safe 'cause you keep your static from spawning Roll


Funny, I don't have to think i'm safe, I've been in W for weeks now and am now, It isnt me who said I feel safe, it is the corps inside saying theyre safer because they keep the spawned WH closed. Just asking why this is the case and why it is needed in the game. To me it goes against what W-space was sold as. DANGERIOUS!

Just wondering what this "keeping the Wormhole closed" idiocy is about.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#15 - 2012-05-12 18:52:23 UTC
So, on a newly formed Wormhole, what does Warping to a newly formed WH actually do, mechanics wise to it and what happens when a newly formed WH is not warped to? can sombody explain the difference in WH game effect?
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#16 - 2012-05-12 19:03:47 UTC
New wormhole is formed is a system, but the exit in some other system is only visible when someone actually warps to the entrance first.

And I haven't tried out this part myself, but supposedly just activating warp to the entrance and cancelling it already makes the exit appear.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#17 - 2012-05-12 19:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Tobiaz wrote:
New wormhole is formed is a system, but the exit in some other system is only visible when someone actually warps to the entrance first.

And I haven't tried out this part myself, but supposedly just activating warp to the entrance and cancelling it already makes the exit appear.


Yeah i just read the evlopedia entry, its called "pushing". Im off to "push" this C4 into existance that this corp doesn't want "opened" :)

From what I read, so basically it is stable probably indefinitely until its "pushed". I still don't like this concept and it makes W-space maybe too controllable by the inhabitant.
Selinate
#18 - 2012-05-12 19:11:31 UTC
any random amount of wormholes can spawn in a wh system at any given time to anywhere in the universe. The static is not typically the only wh that opens.

Nice try at trolling.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#19 - 2012-05-12 19:15:04 UTC
Selinate wrote:
any random amount of wormholes can spawn in a wh system at any given time to anywhere in the universe. The static is not typically the only wh that opens.


Yes I know this, and always at least one per W-space system, I was just supprised that a corp inside it felt they could "control" the newly formed wormholes and thus, by effect, raise their level of safety a tad.
ISD Grossvogel
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2012-05-12 19:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Grossvogel
Thread moved from General Discussion — or should I say "Thread moved to W-space"? Smile

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