Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Whats your problem with people who want to pay 15 bucks a month to shoot little red boxs

or maybe its your total incompetence and in ability to get them to shoot back at you

No one in this game is immune from pvp everything they do is a form of pvp they shouldn't be forced to play your way just because you dont like it and want to cry about it

although i spose a wittle pvp carebear like you cant understand that so you come here and cry about it

My problem is not with mission runners/casual players its with people using neutral corps to haul stuff for there alliances/corps or run reps so there immune to the wardec there under at the moment. The ganking option is not an effective way to deal with them.

Gank them.

So again, what's the problem with NPC corps?

What exactly is the problem here? that there are people you cannot wardec, or shoot without getting ganked by concord? I'm sorry but for some people peacefully mining is the way they like to play eve, it's very relaxing for them, granted i don't see the fun in that, but let's be honest here, these people deserve as much right to play eve the way they like as you do. There's plenty of other people to shoot, who might even shoot back.

And if you really can't stand the fact that there are people who mine, go to a random mining system with a SB battleship, and go get ganked by concord for your efforts.

I'm sorry but i cannot understand that people believe they are the only ones that play eve the 'right' way. Eve is as ccp intended it, a world much like real life, but set in space.
Deal with it or leave :D

Oh good, was wondering when someone had an origional idea that wasn't posted over and over


I think it should go like this

You log in, you are forced to mine for 4 hours each day and then run NPC missions for 4 more hours. Once you have finished the 8 hours of community service, then you can PVP. And if you log or disconnet, reset! back to zero. This is everyday of the month BTW. Enjoy how your money is spent.

Solves the 1 big problem, we all now play the same scripted sandbox and have no choice what we do.


You cannot force PVP on someone, but there is nothing stopping you from nutting up, balling out, and facing the wall. Know how you shoot a neutrol target? Shift-click, wait for target lock, turn off CONCORD warning and ignore all further pop ups, alpha the target, and suck up the loss to CONCORD. Yes, that little annoying faction is actually a deterrent that prevents whiney little turds screaming "STEP ON ME!" for attention on the forums because they don't like risking a loss and things their way.

One really good reason to be immune from an annoyance of some twit looking for a 1-sided fight against a mission ship, which BTW is so damn easy to kill with a PVP ship (mission ships don't fit buffer, scram, web and guaranteed "I WIN! I WANT GOLD STAR STICKER AND A COOKIE FOR LACK OF EFFORT!"). My ******* money pays for the subscription and I can damn well do what ever the hell I want with it. You want to pay for my sub, then **** yeah I will loose ships left and right on someone elses dime.

And if your problem comes from neutrol repping, here are a couple of ideas.

1) Don't fight them. You see them, leave. You don't like playing with them, take you ball and go home.
2) Don't fight on station or gate. Logis can leave with a quick exit, but once you nail them with a scram in a belt/deadspace/POS you bend their ass over the barrel until they scream uncle.
3) Bring your own logis and way more DPS, more the merrier.


Question! Do you wear a Batcowl and scream "I AM BATMAN! FOR....I AM THE LAW!!!" in a rough Christian Bale / Stallone accent while playing EVE? You don't? Then you fire up that little petition machine and input the required amount of data, send it off, and let the actual Judge Dreads of EVE deal with the problem if isk is being sold or automatic scripts are running the ships.

And low costs are a good thing. I notice alot of Captain Hardcores piloting the tech 1 S.S. BADASS in bait Vigils and T1 cruisers in my deadspace trying to get me to consent to combat when in fact in a non-consent PVP game they can open fire at any damn time, screw CONCORD and suck up the loss. Those cheap ships tells me they are to cowardly to deal with a hit to the wallet, unless they know they can win and then they bust out the T2/T3 ship because they don't fear that risk to the wallet. Lowcost means people can PVP more often and avoid things they don't like, mining and PVE missions without dedicating large amounts of time to recovering from moments of binge PVP. And most PVP pilots won't fly expensive set ups, cause they know they will loose them anyway and someone needs to buy those expensive faction / officer mods.

And don't bother bringing in mineral excuse, scrap metal / cap boosters / cruiser weapons / ECM mods don't bring in near the same amount as meta zero BS loot.

I guess I was expecting a bit much to hope that readers could connect the dots with what I was saying. I was pointing out the absurdity of being "entitled" to a playstyle by dint of EVE being a 'sandbox', vis a vis botting being a playstyle that noone would recognize as anyone having a "right to". Your rant on how I should report bots doesn't really factor into this discussion.

Low costs are a good thing but artificially depressed costs are a bad thing, especially in a player driven economy. Your rant about how bait ships are 'cowards' for not getting concorded by attacking your ratting ship doesn't really factor into this discussion.

…not just "merely" — the 11% NPC corp tax means that 11% less ISK is injected by NPC-corp players. The tax in a PC corp is not lost, — the player(s) still have it at their disposal and can still benefit from it. The tax in an NPC corp means the money is gone. They will never see it again.
How?
Seeing as how a cargo full of 1400mms would be well worth the gank, even if you weren't out to inflict losses on anyone in particular, yes. Of course.

And anyway, as mentioned, you'd be forced to gank people anyway since you wouldn't have any way of knowing (in time) who does what, where, for whom, and by the time you got your wardec in, it would be too late to have any effect whatsoever.

Yes, and that mighty 1% above the average corp tax does not reflect the benefits of zero incurred cost .

Combined with wardec reform, Incurred costs of operation will increase as rival producers and player-run corps can pursue methods of direct competition (ie: PVP) other then undercutting. The price of goods will increase appropriately.

Fair enough, so just ship enough to your jumping point below the suicide gank profit threshold. Then what?

If this was a one-time occurrance, and the intent was to block an individual shipment, then this would be true. But that does not reflect the current situation in EVE.

There's a reason you're using "pay" in quotation marks there, because those aren't costs; they are loss of potential profit.

No it isn't "just as true" with multiple shipments. Your theorycraft doesn't reflect EVE reality as null logistic supply routes going across highsec can and have been disrupted when wardecs are an option (typically against renters who do not have npc freighter alts yet). However, the vast majority of null logistics are done under the protection of CONCORD.

Or they could just get a defense fleet up instead of relying on CONCORD to guard their logistics for them. I know you might have adjusted to the way things are, but it really shouldn't take losing an entire battleship fleet to kill a single afk, unescorted, autopiloting freighter in order to disrupt an enemy supply line by a rival nullsec alliance.

Replacing NPC Corps with a "Free Agent" system, along with wardec reform, increases incurred costs of operation, offsetting ISK injection with cost in line with player-run corps and enabling rival hisec corporations to compete with them in ways other then undercutting the price of goods. Industry in player-run corps improves everywhere in New Eden as the price of their goods becomes more valuable.

Increasing industry in null space (bringing in carebears to the fold in an non-renter capacity, etc) by limiting highsec mineral dependency and by removing a 100% CONCORD protection guarantee is a nice bonus.

That's a good idea but all the people that want to be war dec immune STILL wont go for it because there no longer immune.