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Khanid, Vherokior, Achura, and Jin-Mei Battleships
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#21 - 2011-09-18 00:54:08 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Show me the progression of ships to support your claim(s) and might agree.

As it stands (for amarr missile boats) it's; Inquisitor->SB->Vengeance->Sacrilege->Damnation.

No race has a T1 missile destroyer.


True. But lots of Caldari seem to think that's reason enough to create one.

Wylee Coyote wrote:
There is no amarr frigate drone boat or even BC+.

There is no amarr frigate Nos/Neut frigate or even BC+ (only blood raider faction, which means it's already ingame/taken care of).


Sentinel.

NoNah wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
No race has a missile destroyer.
- except the heretic and flycatcher


And half the Eris, but that points to some rather larger issues with that ship.

Nonah wrote:
The point is not that it'd be impossible to defend the implementation of a torp khanid bs, the point is that there's so many many things that could be defended if implemented there's no reason the khanid bs should take any precedence.


This exactly. Nothing inherently points to the need of a Khanid BS any more than any other ship simply based on some so-called "progression". So if you want one, you should define what exactly it should do and what role it would fill in the wider context of the game: what would it do that no other ship would that would still maintain some semblance of balance?
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-09-18 01:37:36 UTC
I never said there was a need for an amarran missile BS.

I have shown a progession in amarr ship design that is already in game, cut short for inexplicable reasons. You can infinitely marginalize this with opinion of what's considered properly combative or even necessary all you want as it has nothingto do with my point or the original the point.

The original point was, that the OP would like to see some extra ships made by various bloodline related corps.

I (and others) feel that there are other matters that should be tended to first (either because they are truly necessary to fix broken game mechanics or that there are lines of design that have yet to be fully 'fleshed out' though their foundations have already not only been made but already partially built upon.

Read my second post on the first page of this thread to see where i stand.
Dark Deviant
Stain Train
Good Sax
#23 - 2011-09-18 04:20:49 UTC
Take a fun thread and turn it ....

Look. There is continuity for play styles in all races except Amar. You can muddy the waters, but that is an unavoidable truth. The reason for introducing T2 missile boats to Amar are the same balance issues for why a missile BS makes sense.

If T2 ships introduced a weapon system to Minmatar and they didn't get a BS. Say drones. I'd be advocating for Minmatar to get a drone boat for battleship. Why? Because it would be a significant disadvantage for Minmatar players to be forced to spend time on a different races ships to have a BS option.

Gallente/Amar ship? I think it would be fun to see an Amar/Gallente battleship. The only mix i can think of is drone/armor tanking. Possibly a decent turret falloff, tracking bonus for Amar skill-set? Damage bonus for Gallente? That would be a neat ship I'm thinking.

It's something I hope CCP is thinking about as they have committee meetings to discuss the winter expansion balancing project.
Fighter26
Orion's Fist
#24 - 2011-09-18 04:20:51 UTC
Sassaniak wrote:
be for this gets too far into analyzing that guy's phobias and repressions,

can we all just remember for a second that i still need my amarr/gallente ship?



Put a blaster or two on a Pilgrim Bear
Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#25 - 2011-09-18 15:15:12 UTC
Fighter26 wrote:
Sassaniak wrote:
be for this gets too far into analyzing that guy's phobias and repressions,

can we all just remember for a second that i still need my amarr/gallente ship?



Put a blaster or two on a Pilgrim Bear


but mommy someday i want a real ship...

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Sometimes, you all make me very disappointed.
Merende Macaco
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2011-09-18 19:01:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Merende Macaco
The problem is there is are no Amarr/Gallente or Caldari/Minmatar pirate factions. The only place I can see these races being used together is Concord. The Concord BS actually kind of looks like a Caldari/Minmatar hybrid though tbh.
Actually I like the idea of mixed race Concord ships, make them ridiculously expensive and I will have a nice alternative to cap ship mods for my incursion LP.
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