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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-05-12 13:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Pretty sure this is fake. Lost both an Orca and a hulk at exactly the same time on exactly the same day in exactly the same system to an Ishtar packing Ogre IIs. Far too much italics for my liking, but the Ishtar is hardly a gankship, the Orca is hardly easy to gank and nobody can pilot two ships at once. The pod was also killed 10 seconds after them both being popped at the same time, which begs the question - if this isn't fake, why didn't he warp out? Ishtar would take at least 6 seconds to lock a pod...

Dodixie > Hek
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#62 - 2012-05-12 15:06:38 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Pretty sure this is fake. Lost both an Orca and a hulk at exactly the same time on exactly the same day in exactly the same system to an Ishtar packing Ogre IIs. Far too much italics for my liking, but the Ishtar is hardly a gankship, the Orca is hardly easy to gank and nobody can pilot two ships at once. The pod was also killed 10 seconds after them both being popped at the same time, which begs the question - if this isn't fake, why didn't he warp out? Ishtar would take at least 6 seconds to lock a pod...
He was mining in a hulk, using his orca as a container essentially (I've found this is not uncommon for solo miners). I scrambled both ships and killed the hulk after popping the orca. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately.

For those who assume I am going to automatically dishonour the ransom no matter what, you underestimate my honour and fair play. I am still in the process of deciding how to proceed, and I am paying close attention to the arguments made on both sides. Basically it's going to come down to one of the following options:

1. Keep everything, pay Edward nothing.
2. Return the excess ransom (900m - 180m).
3. Return the excess ransom and reimburse Edward for the value of the ships that should have been let go.

It's up in the air at this point.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-05-12 15:44:04 UTC
James 315 wrote:
. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately.


My apologies, I didn't read the podmail. But... where was CONCORD at this point? Orcas are notoriously hard to kill in highsec.

Dodixie > Hek
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#64 - 2012-05-12 15:54:26 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
James 315 wrote:
. As for the pod, it couldn't warp out because I smartbombed it as soon as it appeared--same as all the other pods I've killed lately.


My apologies, I didn't read the podmail. But... where was CONCORD at this point? Orcas are notoriously hard to kill in highsec.
Wardec.

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Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
#65 - 2012-05-12 16:19:53 UTC
Return the excess ransom and reimburse Edward for the value of the ships that should have been let go.

Then Edward should send the entire amount to me and I'll send 2 x back.

OR

Give the entire amount (excess ransom and ship/implant vale) to me and I'll divide it fairly among those who I think deserve it.
wicked cheese
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-05-12 16:21:25 UTC
Edward Khurelem wrote:

demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship.

So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.


2 ships at 90mil per ship would be a 180mil ransom. had you paid the amount you tried to he could have still killed you for underpayment or atleast choose one ship to pop.

i have to admit this is the first time ive ever heard of ransoming a war target Ugh i dont think he was gonna let ya go
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#67 - 2012-05-12 17:56:08 UTC
Okay guys CONTEST

What was the worst lose

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11740311

3billion isk shuttle?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342824

HS Fail fit orca?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342822

HS Fail fit hulk?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342823

666million isk pod lost in HS to an ishtar with a SB?



The whole idea of this thread is dumb.

Last time I checked, you do not quit your job if you get paied more than you expected.
You do not keep a person items if they give you a tip for repairing it... (extra)

Whole thread is for attention whoring...

Anyone who would honor a rasom would have at the worst kept the extra... (other guys screw up) and left the guy alone... Not killed him because it was too much rofl.

That being said... james is no pirate... he is nothing but a HS greifer...

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13091635 check out his fitting... and just kills while on eve kill all HS.

The guys almost never in anything under a .7 rofl.

Now guys also check his employment history

He was in paperclip mansion for are you ready?

8 min

Yes 8 MIN...

Smells like exploiting to me...

The corp before that he was in for 10min...

Corp be4 that... 11 min

12min...

10...

I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#68 - 2012-05-12 18:14:04 UTC
adam smash wrote:
I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview.
Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.

As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-05-12 18:19:03 UTC
James 315 wrote:
adam smash wrote:
I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview.
Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.

As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.


So let me get this straight, you use resources like battleclinic to find out who is at war with who, then you simply join the corp, go on a mining barge killing spree, then leave the corp, wash, rinse, repeat....clever.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#70 - 2012-05-12 18:33:03 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
So let me get this straight, you use resources like battleclinic to find out who is at war with who, then you simply join the corp, go on a mining barge killing spree, then leave the corp, wash, rinse, repeat....clever.
Well not really clever, corp-hopping as a war tactic is older than dirt, but I appreciate the compliment Smile

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adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#71 - 2012-05-12 18:36:23 UTC  |  Edited by: adam smash
James 315 wrote:
adam smash wrote:
I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview.
Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.

As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.


I aint reading any of your waste of space stuff...

Ya you claim to join in other systems...

You also claim to be a pirate LOL...

You are for sure not one...

Also other poster... no he is not joining corps that are at war look more

EVERY CORP he joined was from the SAME station in the SAME system.

Come on... want the more likely answer?

Trial account > make corp > war dec (no one in corp that matters) > join > kill > redo.

EVERY corp also has two people.

I am pretty sure that using a trial account to do that would be an exploit...

I'm betting ya if CCP looked into this... it would be deemed an exploit.

The CEO's of his ex corps make the corps 10min after getting into the game... COME ON do we REALLY need more?

I mean really tell me the odds of EVERY corp this guy joins... having 1-2 people in it... and being from the SAME station.

Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials...
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#72 - 2012-05-12 18:42:17 UTC
adam smash wrote:
Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials...
Oh I see, you're another anti-Goon poster. Now it all makes sense. Roll

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-05-12 19:12:01 UTC
adam smash wrote:
James 315 wrote:
adam smash wrote:
I bet the guy might have not even shown as a war target in local... maybe even overview.
Nice try, but I always join corporations in a different system than my target, it's actually a more effective way to ambush. I always appear as a war target on overview/local, and in fact those miners who don't go AFK often try to escape when they see me coming--though they don't usually succeed.

As for my brief employment in some corporations, I find that as a general rule, it's best not to overstay one's welcome. And if highsec miners can corp-hop or dissolve corps to evade war, I can use similar CCP-approved tactics to encourage war. None of this is anything new, by the way--it was described in detail in my Manifesto II, which I encourage you to read.


I aint reading any of your waste of space stuff...

Ya you claim to join in other systems...

You also claim to be a pirate LOL...

You are for sure not one...

Also other poster... no he is not joining corps that are at war look more

EVERY CORP he joined was from the SAME station in the SAME system.

Come on... want the more likely answer?

Trial account > make corp > war dec (no one in corp that matters) > join > kill > redo.

EVERY corp also has two people.

I am pretty sure that using a trial account to do that would be an exploit...

I'm betting ya if CCP looked into this... it would be deemed an exploit.

The CEO's of his ex corps make the corps 10min after getting into the game... COME ON do we REALLY need more?

I mean really tell me the odds of EVERY corp this guy joins... having 1-2 people in it... and being from the SAME station.

Let me add, after seening the guy is a goon... he could have goons making these alt corps and not be using trials...


Don't blame the OP for working within the games mechanics - blame CCP for putting the easily manipulated mechanics into place. He is merely playing the game asd it was designed.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-05-12 19:19:56 UTC
Edward Khurelem wrote:
So! Ladies and Gentlemen,

To settle a little disagreement between an "honourable" Ransom Taker and I being a Miner, we have decided to enlist the help of the general public.

Let me tell you the situation,

I was mining in the asteroid belts when a Pirate by the name of James 315 approached me in my Orca and started to attack my ship. Naturally, He opened a channel of communication and demanded the ransom amount of 90million ISK per ship. I, of course, decided to pay him because I didn't feel like losing over 900mil worth of mining assets. So I payed him the 90million ISK BUT I accidently put an extra 0 into the figure giving him 900m instead of the agreed amount.

So, I told him this, and he continued to destroying my ship and I ended up losing my Orca, Hulk and my Implants. Valued at over 2.3b. He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.

We then took this to a station where we continued to discuss this issue and he and I both agreed that we should see what other players think.

What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?


He was gonna kill you know matter what, he got more isk than expected AND got you to make a silly post on the forums about it. funny.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Whitehound
#75 - 2012-05-12 19:26:41 UTC
Only the weak pay ransom.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Steel Wraith
#76 - 2012-05-14 15:13:37 UTC
James 315 wrote:
[He was mining in a hulk, using his orca as a container essentially (I've found this is not uncommon for solo miners).


I think I'm missing something here. Why would anyone use an empty orca as a container? Why not instead use a jetcan? How does anyone come to the conclusion that because jetcans are at risk of having contents stolen, they'll instead leave an empty orca at risk of being stolen?

If you think this thought process is common to miners it's no wonder you target them.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#77 - 2012-05-14 15:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
You lost your ship, dude. Get over it. Also, take this as a hard lesson that you should double check your numbers before proceeding with the transaction.

Also...

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13342824

Seriously? You fit a resistance-tank module while you have a bunch of anti-tank rigs and mods fitted? Orca should ever be fitted this way. Given the harsh nature of Eve Online, you should know better than to roam around the hostile universe with a fit like that. That's like driving a Humvee all around Baghdad with no armor protection whatsoever.

EDIT:

Since this is an API-verified kill, I'm curious how an Ishtar managed to destroy an Orca even with that sort of weak tank the Orca had. Also, this is in a 0.5 system.

Second EDIT:

I just took the time to read all the posts on this thread. So this was a war dec? Idiot. You don't deserve that Orca, that Hulk, nor the ISK your accidentally gave away.

Adapt or Die
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#78 - 2012-05-14 16:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
A lot of people are missing "little" details.
-He was at war.


Speaking of little details, you appear to have missed the fact that James is in a npc corp.

Everything about this event just seems off.

Edit: ah I see the dec now. He's one of 'those' players. That is pretty bad when you have to sneak up on your defenseless target.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
SabotNoob
Doomheim
#79 - 2012-05-14 16:26:48 UTC
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
Edward Khurelem wrote:
He said that I didn't give him the correct amount thus allowing him to destroy my ship and everything i had in it.


I peed a little. I also read this out loud to my vent, and they all peed on their mics.


Wait, what? They peed on their mics? They literally, peed on their mics?????!!!!! Why would someone want to pee on their mic?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-05-14 16:44:23 UTC
Edward Khurelem wrote:

What are your thoughts on the situation? Do you believe he should reimburse me the 2.12b minus the ransom which of course i had every intention of paying or do you believe that i should suck it up and accept that I lost 2.12b over a typo?


Tbh, if he was willing to kill over you an overpayment of the ransom, the chances of his letting you live upon payment of the exact ransom are close to zero.

Moral of the story is, you lost 810m over a typo, 90m for trusting a pirate, and the other 1.1bn over getting caught by a pirate.