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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#141 - 2012-05-13 21:22:31 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


Why would someone need to justify their lack of trying to look for a way to nullsec?



That seems to be the impression I got from the GP. Honestly I think care-bears should stay in empire, but GP deserved some sort of reply.

It really doesn't matter to me how people choose to play their game. I do however have much more fun in null than anywhere else in EVE.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-05-13 21:26:53 UTC
James 315 wrote:
According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec ..................acts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315



Somebody is making a lot of ISK from minerals.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#143 - 2012-05-13 22:00:47 UTC
Scien Inkunen wrote:
Somebody is making a lot of ISK from minerals.


More likely is that someone speculated at the top of the bubble and is desperately trying to manipulate the market into rising again so they can dump their 7 ISK tritanium.

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Katja Faith
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-05-13 22:33:36 UTC
tl;dr

I know how to fix the government, but can't be pissed to run for office. But I know I'm right.
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-05-13 22:36:41 UTC

Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF


War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night. its not a war when the other side isnt and doesnt care to fight. 
Simple Miner
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#146 - 2012-05-13 22:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:

War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night.



I Always wanted a fleshed out Equilibrium of Mankind faction with its own ships, but I see its been here all along. We ARE EoM.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#147 - 2012-05-13 22:59:51 UTC
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:
War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night. its not a war when the other side isnt and doesnt care to fight.


Terrorism would be when people aren't mining due to the fear of gankers being out there. It would be terrorism if, six months down the track, people refused to undock in a Hulk for fear of being ganked.

What we have is a riot on the streets, not terrorism. The riot is fuelled by a public competition with awards to people who inflict the most damage.

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Nimbus Cloud Liebrum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2012-05-13 23:04:32 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:
War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night. its not a war when the other side isnt and doesnt care to fight.


Terrorism would be when people aren't mining due to the fear of gankers being out there. It would be terrorism if, six months down the track, people refused to undock in a Hulk for fear of being ganked.

What we have is a riot on the streets, not terrorism. The riot is fuelled by a public competition with awards to people who inflict the most damage.



"Highsec mining drops by HALF"

this isnt a result of fear? 

Simple Miner
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#149 - 2012-05-13 23:32:35 UTC
I would just say this:

1. I used to belt mine, for the low-ends, have a Orca, Hulk, Mack, and had a Skiff at one time but never used it... now, while I still have them, I have not belt mined in something like 14 Months.

2. I used to milk Mining Missions (L4s) for LPs for stuff in the LP store (extremely dull, but it paid the light-bill)...

3. I have since stopped both, because while I am "care-bear" as such, I am into all aspect of the games careers, I did have thoughts about doing "Mining and Production" as a mainline profession, but...

I suppose it will balance out - heck my Orca is now as much as my Providence cost me 3 years ago... 750M or whatever it is now, and then the hulk has doubled or even tripled in value... etc.

SO ... I guess this is a good thing, for me I see it being that once demand and price reach a certain point, people WILL start to produce that, but until then or if it falls they then stop and do something else...

I guess will have to see, I am offline for the HAG5 due to the PC getting a total overhaul... in dry-dock. Def worth watching from the side-lines though.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-05-14 05:17:01 UTC
Tikera Tissant wrote:

If you have enough isk and enough income, a second account is free, and with the right machine multi-boxing is as easy as pie.
All you need is plex. And with enough ganking, you can make a living out of it.


Daft much? A second account is not free in the same way that a ship is not free, and the issue is not the amount of processing power in terms of using multiple accounts. If you are terrible at EVE you should at least have the decency not to post.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Spurty
#151 - 2012-05-14 05:26:31 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Yield mined per system should be Available via API.






It's available from the EVE map. Learn what the Industry development index actually means. If a system stays at Industry 5 all week it's a pretty safe bet there is a lot of mining going on there.



Where's the part that gives me numbers. A lot means nothing to me. I want to be able to point and go "Jesus ******* christ, 200 asteroids were mined in system XYZ in the last hour!" who wants to wait a week? Oof.

We have it for NPCs / killed. you can look at to see how busy compared to the rest.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-05-14 05:28:48 UTC
war on mining? More like the war on cheap ships. Hulkageddon is the ultimate masochistic event to ever exist. On a side note, I hope this leads more people to forming corporations and learning how to play safer. D-scan is a rather under used tool.

Something clever
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#153 - 2012-05-14 05:59:22 UTC
I'm not going to sit here and try to convince anyone that mining is fun. Fun, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

I am one of those who enjoys mining for the zen feeling. Or, if I'm in Low Sec, I enjoy it by how it grabs my attention and forces me to stay focused, since anyone can jump me at any time.

I do, however, object to the sense of entitlement that the non-harvesters have towards the harvesters.

I don't blame them for it (well, okay, maybe I do a little). For years, Eve has been a game built for the destroyers. In order to accomplish something, it was necessary to destroy. Need Zydrine? Destroy meta 0 loot. Need Nocxium? Destroy Drones. Need Technium? Destroy POSes. Need ISK? Destroy complexes.

This is the house that CCP built and harvesters had to live in. Second class citizens to the destroyers. That has generated an attitude that this is "their game." How dare we harvesters try to make a living here! We should be destroying along with everyone else! We're doing it wrong!

You think Burn Jita, OTECH and Hulkageddon occurring so quickly after the Inferno patch that gave a huge boost to harvesters is a coincidence? It is the destroyers exercising their dominance. Showing everyone that despite what happened in Inferno, they are still the 'true masters' of Eve, that the harvesters and builders are still nothing more than beggars, living at the sufferance of the destroyers.

That is the attitude I despise. Not the fact that harvesters are being destroyed. That happening, the possibility, the freedom that allows such things to happen, I welcome. It is the fact that people think we should be destroyed, that somehow we are an aberration that either needs to be changed or driven out. The attitude that says there is no place for us in New Eden, and that we should not be here, that is what is wrong.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2012-05-14 06:11:37 UTC
To be honest i don't see any reasons for a better change for miners unless pve drops are nerfed in terms of mineral profit. Not like its going to happen, so its not like things are gonna get better. Missioning with at least two characters (pve ship + noctis) is so much more profitable than two characters mining (hulk + hauler) its not even nice to talk about it., since the bounties themselfves pays more than mining yield, count in the salvage and we know what NOT to do (mine).
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#155 - 2012-05-14 06:29:48 UTC
Kreeia Dgore wrote:
To be honest i don't see any reasons for a better change for miners unless pve drops are nerfed in terms of mineral profit.


This already happened. Or are you talking about nerfing mission loot even more?

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#156 - 2012-05-14 06:33:21 UTC
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:



"Highsec mining drops by HALF"

this isnt a result of fear?



Nah, it more to do with the fact half of the barges have exploded.
Mangold
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#157 - 2012-05-14 08:24:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:



"Highsec mining drops by HALF"

this isnt a result of fear?



Nah, it more to do with the fact half of the barges have exploded.


Get your facts straight. It's only 4000+ dead barges so far and according to CCP Diagoras 5762 died in April, 5381 died in March. I'm personally surpriced that the difference is so small and I'd expect a lot more dead barges compared to a normal month. That can not explain the drop in high sec mining. I'd say that fear of being ganked is the driving force for this change.
El Puerco
P.W. Minerals
#158 - 2012-05-14 08:54:01 UTC
i dont care either way.. my minerals will sell like crazy thanks to hulkageddon :)

Errare humanum est.
Loodo Viscious
6th Dimension Research and Development
#159 - 2012-05-14 09:36:17 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
It is still too soon to tell anything. If it rained for three days in a row I swear half the forum whiners on here would be building an ark and begin collecting two of every creature that lives with them in their parent's basement. If it didn't rain for three days they would be screaming global warming, demand a larger tank to store water, and die of dehydration from all the tears they shed.

They are the goldfish of Eve, swimming around New Eden bumping in to mirrors and screaming at themselves for being in the way because their short term memory is about thirty seconds. Like little yapping boot polishing toy-breed dogs they serve little purpose but to make noise, **** the carpets, and on an extremely rare occasion manage to disrupt or kill a much larger dog by getting caught in its throat.

You need to give it time. The Eve economy is a process, not a single act. You need to understand that every change needs time to gestate before coming to fruition. One human can make one baby in nine months. The forum whiners believe that if nine people work together (the Goons) they can make the baby happen in one month. The actual long term effects will still take nine months. In those same nine months you can make a baby of your own, but you want it in two weeks. Unless your last name is Jolie, it probably isn't going to magically appear.


+ 1000000 internets. Facking brilliant.
Marcin Arkaral
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2012-05-14 09:58:48 UTC
I don't understand how is that a good thing? This will only drive mineral prices up. So if by good, it means that ppl want to pay more for their ship and stuff than its fine with me.