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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#121 - 2012-05-13 08:17:21 UTC
Plentath wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I hope every single high-sec miner rage-quits in tears. Until they do, I'll be upping my ransom prices on T1 hulls, which are finally worth something.

Pathetic... Let's drive away subscribers in droves until there is no one left to pay the bills...

Dramaqueen. That's how the game was in the beginning anyway and it was pretty awesome.


Yay, sure the 350 people CCP has hired since then will think exaclty the same about CCP losing the income that justifies their paychecks...


I'm sure those people look at their subscription numbers, not what forum clowns think.

Why? Because those numbers show an increase where all other MMOs are shedding subscribers.

But, according to your kind, CCP ought to make the game more like the themepark MMOs that are losing subscribers?

Okay.


Just FYI, I never lasted any longer han 3 months in any "theme park" MMO, whereas i've been into EVE for more than 3 years. After all this time, I still don't like EVE and play it mostly because there are no alternatives. Straight
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#122 - 2012-05-13 08:57:07 UTC
Mitten linked this thread, but i don't see nothing important here. Don't worry mining won die... you wouldnt have ships to fly in.

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Citizen of Solitude
Dreamscanner
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2012-05-13 11:06:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ocih wrote:
[quote=Karn Dulake]
Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

TEST mining op, please ignore !




love this because it is so true... Hulkageddon can be overcome you just need the right facilities to do it
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#124 - 2012-05-13 11:17:33 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Shut up, you're wrong. Yes, you do gank for money, so don't even try to deny it, lying scumbag. Also, I don't gank Hulks but I know more about ganking because you're dumb and stupid and you're doing it wrong, noob.


If you are ganking to a budget, you need to figure out how to achieve your goals within the budget. If you want to gank with T2 fit catalysts, you need to seek a source of funding other than the Goonswarm bounties. You can't go ganking with T2 fit catalysts and then complain that you run out of money, hoping people will take pity on you.

Complaining that the second account isn't free doesn't make sense: you're not ganking for the income to buy a PLEX. You've already paid those accounts using other means otherwise you'd be doing something far more profitable than farming Goonswarm bounties.

Bottom line is: either you're ganking with a limited wallet and you need to adjust your tactics to cost you less than 10M ISK per kill, or you've got a sugar daddy (possibly your main) who doesn't care about the ISK cost. If you have a sugar daddy, go ahead and use T2 blaster catalysts, solo ganking hulks in 0.7.

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Stirko Hek
New Home Industries
#125 - 2012-05-13 11:26:30 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Shut up, you're wrong. Yes, you do gank for money, so don't even try to deny it, lying scumbag. Also, I don't gank Hulks but I know more about ganking because you're dumb and stupid and you're doing it wrong, noob.


If you are ganking to a budget, you need to figure out how to achieve your goals within the budget. If you want to gank with T2 fit catalysts, you need to seek a source of funding other than the Goonswarm bounties. You can't go ganking with T2 fit catalysts and then complain that you run out of money, hoping people will take pity on you.

Complaining that the second account isn't free doesn't make sense: you're not ganking for the income to buy a PLEX. You've already paid those accounts using other means otherwise you'd be doing something far more profitable than farming Goonswarm bounties.

Bottom line is: either you're ganking with a limited wallet and you need to adjust your tactics to cost you less than 10M ISK per kill, or you've got a sugar daddy (possibly your main) who doesn't care about the ISK cost. If you have a sugar daddy, go ahead and use T2 blaster catalysts, solo ganking hulks in 0.7.


You are not a ganker, try to limit what you say to what you know.

A follow on benefit of this is that you'll post far far less, which means less effort for you and less effort for people when they have to scroll past your posts.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#126 - 2012-05-13 11:32:27 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Just FYI, I never lasted any longer han 3 months in any "theme park" MMO, whereas i've been into EVE for more than 3 years. After all this time, I still don't like EVE and play it mostly because there are no alternatives. Straight


I want you to re-read what you just wrote there and consider that, just maybe, there's something you're not being honest with yourself about.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#127 - 2012-05-13 11:34:25 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.


Confirming that Tengus make really really bad warp-ins and are unable to book-mark. I think it's evident whose game knowledge is lacking.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#128 - 2012-05-13 11:40:09 UTC
Ammatar IV wrote:



Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...

If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.


Rubbish. We take willing people with far less skill. It's all about attitude not skill-points. A rifter with a point in the hands of a gutsy player will do far more damage than a 100M sp player in a shiny multi-billion isk T3 ship that warps away to a safe-spot at the first sign of trouble. You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.
Metamonic
Bubbles Bubbles Bubbles
#129 - 2012-05-13 16:54:32 UTC
Hulkageddon will end like always, miners will return like always and they will see their ships slowly strengthen patch by patch just like before. I couldn't even begin to try and explain how insignificant this anti-highsec effort will be in the end. No one cares about the quaint efforts of a minority when an overwhelming amount of players are engaged in safe high sec industry-related tasks.

I just hope that the people trying stir the pot will not get disheartened when they come to this realization, since I hate to lose customers. After all, these events are what makes Eve so great. Even as a miner, I wouldn't want to do away with Hulkageddon. It would be like drinking coffee without sugar. =)
Immogen Telvani
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-05-13 17:04:17 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
I'm confused about the point. Is there a reason for wanting to remove mining from highsec, or is this just a "let's see if we can" kind of thing?


Conspiracy Theory #1
The people behind Hulkageddon are owners of Hulk BPO's

Conspiracy Theory #2
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#131 - 2012-05-13 17:17:27 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
[quote=Ammatar IV]

You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.


Why would someone need to justify their lack of trying to look for a way to nullsec?

Does it mean that this open ended sandbox in reality is MEANT to be played as somebody decided to?
So is EvE a themepark like WoW, with the difference it's peer pressure and racketing that force other people going where they "are meant to go"?

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Captain Carius
#132 - 2012-05-13 17:29:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Carius
The funniest thing about the OP's idiotic post is that all through this so-called "Whatever-Geddon" , my several mining characters have been grinding away in highsec belts and selling the perfectly-skilled refined residue at premium prices. In all this time, we have yet to even see a ganker, much less lose a ship. So please do continue your efforts as the only result I have seen yet is increased income.

K Bye Thanx
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#133 - 2012-05-13 19:24:50 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Just FYI, I never lasted any longer han 3 months in any "theme park" MMO, whereas i've been into EVE for more than 3 years. After all this time, I still don't like EVE and play it mostly because there are no alternatives. Straight


I want you to re-read what you just wrote there and consider that, just maybe, there's something you're not being honest with yourself about.


I'm gonna share with you a secret of life: you can do things even if you don't really like them.

FAi, i don't like taking the bus every day. But then, I like having a job, and wouldn't have it without taking the bus every day. Of course, i could buy a car and drive it to my job every day, but then i would like that even less than taking the bus, so i don't do it.

It's about incentives. One month ago my subscription was cancelled and about to expire, now i am having a modicum of fun mining in a BS, and so i paid one month of subscription.

This doesn't changes that I wouldn't mind to see EVE crumble to dust if i found an alternative i enjoyed better and which suited more to my philosophy of life... not that I want EVE to fail, but, wouldn't cry over it as long as I had an alternative.

And, IMXHO, i think that people would really like better a game more suit to my philoosphy of life, than they like EVE. I mean, sane people at least...Lol
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#134 - 2012-05-13 19:25:45 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ocih wrote:
[quote=Karn Dulake]
Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.


I never saw anything quite that elaborate but was part of the gate camps when someone found a grav plex in a dead end system. 15 hulks and a Rorqual would have it mopped up in an hr or so. The thing I saw with all those cases, the minerals all ended up in Jita and as much as they made a substantial amount of ISK for the hr it took, they weren't a valid percentage of what came in to Jita and it didn't happen enough to feed the market essential production of EVE.

I have also never saw a developed null sec market that could in fact ignore Jita or high sec. One based on minerals and moon mats, not based on Jita resales. One designed to actually promote production in null sec. The reasons being simple ISK. It has always been cheaper to buy than to make and sec status and supply have never played a factor in to the process. It was just one of those broken and mysterious anomalies of EVE.
Vangelios
#135 - 2012-05-13 19:34:48 UTC
And so once again
My dear Johnny 315 my dear friend
And so once again you are fightin' us all
And when I ask you why
You raise your sticks and cry, and I fall
Oh, my friend
How did you come
To trade the fiddle for the drum
You say I have turned
Like the enemies you've earned
But I can remember
All the good things you are
And so I ask you please
Can I help you find the peace and the star
Oh, my friend
What time is this
To trade the handshake for the fist

... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...
Spurty
#136 - 2012-05-13 19:45:33 UTC
Yield mined per system should be Available via API.

Make it so!

Good stuff.


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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2012-05-13 19:50:23 UTC
Ocih wrote:
I have also never saw a developed null sec market that could in fact ignore Jita or high sec. One based on minerals and moon mats, not based on Jita resales.


They don't exist. Can't exist, in fact, given the current widespread contempt for industrialists.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

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Major Spag
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-05-13 20:59:38 UTC
I too have not had my hulk killed in Hulkageddon. This must mean that A) there are no goons b) Hulkageddon is completely ineffectual and c) I am the most elite rock laser pewpewer in all of eve!

Btw, my own back water corner of eve is always indicative of the entirety of the game!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#139 - 2012-05-13 21:10:14 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Ocih wrote:
I have also never saw a developed null sec market that could in fact ignore Jita or high sec. One based on minerals and moon mats, not based on Jita resales.


They don't exist. Can't exist, in fact, given the current widespread contempt for industrialists.



Serious question: why should any nullsec organisation respect industrialists when there's always another one who'll sell for slightly less?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#140 - 2012-05-13 21:17:29 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Yield mined per system should be Available via API.






It's available from the EVE map. Learn what the Industry development index actually means. If a system stays at Industry 5 all week it's a pretty safe bet there is a lot of mining going on there.