These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

Author
Cheeks For Weeks
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2012-05-30 20:42:04 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Cheeks For Weeks wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Cheeks For Weeks wrote:
I'm not saying I'm an expert at economics, but I'd imagine by now the market is flooded with mats as it is.

I'd be willing to bet goons have the numbers as well as the extended alts to pull it off.



More importantly, we have the finance people to understand the math.

Shocking I know.


Enlighten me. How hard is it to pull up a spreadsheet and calculate the HG revenue for the week?
As I already stated, I don't know goon income, but I don't believe you'd be dumb enough to pull a publicity stunt without a budget.
I can see them setting aside some isk to fuel their little game. As long as there are no diminishing returns on that budget, you could keep it going.

Quote:
Results dont look good for EVE's player base.


Those who think that are the ones preparing to leave in the first place due to lack of willingness to accept the nature of the game.
Honestly, it can't be that serious.


You do not need a spreadsheet to "calculate the revenue". You only need to know how much of a hulk is tech, how much of the daily volume we sell, and is that greater than we we could possibly spend on HG.

Let me skip to the punchline, it is much greater.


So you're saying the revenue is much greater than goons could possibly spend on HG? Makes sense seeing as goons are considering letting it go indefinitely.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-05-30 21:25:31 UTC
Cheeks For Weeks wrote:


So you're saying the revenue is much greater than goons could possibly spend on HG? Makes sense seeing as goons are considering letting it go indefinitely.


Mittens soft played it. It was always going to be indefinite. Until Tech is nerf (which we support), there is no reason to stop.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Huan Chop
Doomheim
#403 - 2012-05-30 21:36:02 UTC
ok guys you win, The thought of permanent hulkageddon has driven me away. I'll go spend my money elsewhere. I get it! its not the game I thought it was. You tell me to go play something else. ok I will. Just remember. Be careful what you wish for. 12 million skill points invested. And for what...
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#404 - 2012-05-31 01:54:32 UTC
James 315 wrote:
According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

If we were to believe the conventional wisdom among the carebears and the pseudointellectuals of Market Discussions, highsec mining is too vast and pervasive to stop. Prior to the latest round of Hulkageddon, they confidently predicted that gankers wouldn't put a dent in the amount of mining. They were wrong.

Miners have been slaughtered by the thousands, but that's not all. Anti-mining operations are primarily instruments of terror. While thousands of miners died, more importantly, thousands more miners have given up mining. Ordinarily we wouldn't be able to quantify the effect of the latter, and the carebear apologists would be free, in their ignorance, to keep crowing about the absence of any impact. But thanks to CCP Diagoras, we can make our enemies eat crow instead.

I know there are some skeptics who will grasp to the straws of any alternate explanation, so I'll provide a preemptive debunking service here. The mining of ore in highsec did not decline during the measured period due to a drop in botting. Over the relevant period, there was no mass-banning of bots by CCP. Quite the opposite, in fact. My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. They see the miners for what they are: targets. And they will prey upon an ever-decreasing number of carebears.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315


intereting times :) thanks for the update. I've been having trouble getting thru my door, er... window... to play eve as much latelyShocked

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde