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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#261 - 2012-05-24 11:43:11 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

No, what we'll get is more people mining in 0.0

In fact it's happening already. Even goons are mining now, I know for a fact.

So pack up your Hulk, start looking for a 0.0 corp and prepare to make more ISK than you've seen before.

Goons mining? Please someone post a screenshot, that must be so emberrassing Lol

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#262 - 2012-05-24 11:54:42 UTC
Y'all don't seem to realize that when ships gets too expensive because of all the miner-ganking, we simply compensate by increasing our ransoms on mission-running corporations.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#263 - 2012-05-24 11:57:35 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

No, what we'll get is more people mining in 0.0

In fact it's happening already. Even goons are mining now, I know for a fact.

So pack up your Hulk, start looking for a 0.0 corp and prepare to make more ISK than you've seen before.

Goons mining? Please someone post a screenshot, that must be so emberrassing Lol



To quote the goon I discussed it with "Yes mining is still horrible, but 5 hulks pulling in 100M/hr each makes up for a lot" (He was cherry-picking the ABCs in mining anoms and grav sites)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#264 - 2012-05-24 11:59:06 UTC
I would like to ask what war ? or do you mean the one sided ganking of unarmed ships ?


Tal

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#265 - 2012-05-24 12:28:27 UTC
You know after all the threads on the new inventory system I was actually happy to see this one resurface. Not because I believe a word of the OP's self justifying rubbish but just because it gave me a sense of normality (as far as anything is normal in these forums) returning.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#266 - 2012-05-24 14:27:24 UTC
John Caligan wrote:
I don't get it: Is your endgame to get rid of bots, or just to stop all hisec mining forever?
The latter.

Quote:
If it's the latter, than YOU ARE A F****** IDIOT. Yes, you WILL stop hisec mining. But you then forget that with no hisec miners, volumes of the lower-level ores will drastically decrease, causing HUGE price spikes.
Even if that's true, so what?

Quote:
Yes, the current stockpiles will last a long time, and YES there will still be SOME income, but it will all be in losec, where everything will have turned into mass resources wars. Picture what would happen if the real world suddenly ran out of fossil fuels and the only way left to power things were national reserves. Extermination of hisec mining would be that ONE HUNDREDFOLD.
None of that sounds like a bad thing for EVE, in fact you paint a rather positive picture...

MinerBumping.com
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#267 - 2012-05-24 14:29:48 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

No, what we'll get is more people mining in 0.0

In fact it's happening already. Even goons are mining now, I know for a fact.

So pack up your Hulk, start looking for a 0.0 corp and prepare to make more ISK than you've seen before.

Goons mining? Please someone post a screenshot, that must be so emberrassing Lol



Please, love to know where they mine. Pirate
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#268 - 2012-05-24 14:38:54 UTC
Why, in Deklein of course. Where else would they mine if not their own space?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
B3AST MODE B3AST
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2012-05-24 14:47:41 UTC
Goon space is pretty comfy...I find most of my ships cheaper than Jita prices! LOL SRRY BOUT UR HISEC MINING.
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2012-05-24 14:50:08 UTC
James 315 wrote:
John Caligan wrote:
I don't get it: Is your endgame to get rid of bots, or just to stop all hisec mining forever?
The latter.

Quote:
If it's the latter, than YOU ARE A F****** IDIOT. Yes, you WILL stop hisec mining. But you then forget that with no hisec miners, volumes of the lower-level ores will drastically decrease, causing HUGE price spikes.
Even if that's true, so what?

Quote:
Yes, the current stockpiles will last a long time, and YES there will still be SOME income, but it will all be in losec, where everything will have turned into mass resources wars. Picture what would happen if the real world suddenly ran out of fossil fuels and the only way left to power things were national reserves. Extermination of hisec mining would be that ONE HUNDREDFOLD.
None of that sounds like a bad thing for EVE, in fact you paint a rather positive picture...


YOU Mister, doesn't seem to have any sligthes clue about the Eve economy truely works if you favour the totally remove of Hisec mining you only will get alot negative results like as CCP will loose lots of active subscribers, also loose income, so will go down the actual Online numbers also it will raise the prices into Astronomical highs you won't even thing of.

So Mister 'ThenthousandI'mSoCleverBrain' What will this lead to?

I'm telling you.....First less peoples around to play with, second lesser updates and a more stagnant game without expansions within an acceptable timeframe so in this case again more stagnating subscribers.

I'm not sure out of what freaking hole you crawled out but with your assumptions you're seemingly want to see Eve dieying rather then prospering.

Following current happenings....if CCP doesn't steps in and bangs a shoe on the table to get things fixed E.g. Rebalancing Ships especially Miner and industrial ships in a way they'll get a bit higher survive chance against halfhearthed led Ganks i'm foreseeing a more stagnant decrease of player counts within the next half up to one year in a way CCP really will get in some serious payement troubles.

sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nepew from the Serpentis Founder )
URDEAD2ME
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#271 - 2012-05-24 15:01:34 UTC
ah the OP is the guy who spends 3 hours bumping one hulk around for a mill isk and calls him self the owner of some npc system ... and then thinks hes best thing since hulkageddon lol
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#272 - 2012-05-24 15:14:10 UTC
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
YOU Mister, doesn't seem to have any sligthes clue about the Eve economy truely works if you favour the totally remove of Hisec mining you only will get alot negative results like as CCP will loose lots of active subscribers, also loose income, so will go down the actual Online numbers also it will raise the prices into Astronomical highs you won't even thing of.

So Mister 'ThenthousandI'mSoCleverBrain' What will this lead to?

I'm telling you.....First less peoples around to play with, second lesser updates and a more stagnant game without expansions within an acceptable timeframe so in this case again more stagnating subscribers.

I'm not sure out of what freaking hole you crawled out but with your assumptions you're seemingly want to see Eve dieying rather then prospering.

Following current happenings....if CCP doesn't steps in and bangs a shoe on the table to get things fixed E.g. Rebalancing Ships especially Miner and industrial ships in a way they'll get a bit higher survive chance against halfhearthed led Ganks i'm foreseeing a more stagnant decrease of player counts within the next half up to one year in a way CCP really will get in some serious payement troubles.

sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis ( Roleplayed nepew from the Serpentis Founder )

Contrary to your assumptions, minerals have not always gushed forth with the intensity of water coming through a ruptured dam. The economy had to be built up, in order for it to be coming down.

Are minerals getting more expensive? Sure. Is it necessarily a bad thing? No. Stuff will still be built, and stuff will still be destroyed. There will always be miners. We are simply culling those that are weak and ignorant. And quite frankly, I prefer it this way. When things are expensive, pvp feels less like an inconsequential deathmatch.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Andre Jean Sarpantis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2012-05-24 15:21:59 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:

Contrary to your assumptions, minerals have not always gushed forth with the intensity of water coming through a ruptured dam. The economy had to be built up, in order for it to be coming down.

Are minerals getting more expensive? Sure. Is it necessarily a bad thing? No. Stuff will still be built, and stuff will still be destroyed. There will always be miners. We are simply culling those that are weak and ignorant. And quite frankly, I prefer it this way. When things are expensive, pvp feels less like an inconsequential deathmatch.



YOu're such a hardcore PvPer huh? So you're for sure will enjoy the future hardcore Prices as maybe will like as 10 -20 Millions for a T1 frig, 50 -90 Millions for a t1 Cruiser.....150--200 Millions for a simple T1 BC and maybe 350 - 500+ Millions for a simple t1 BS....and those are only the prices will be for non factional ships incoming perhaps.

So Hopefully you SO proud Hardcore Elite PvPers will enjoy your Selfcreated Hardcore ELite Prices P

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis (Roleplayed Nepew from the Serpentis founder)
Veflingen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2012-05-24 15:44:33 UTC
James 315 wrote:
rant


James, as much as I respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I am amazed that you took the time to write a manifesto yet did not cite ANY source as evidence in favor of your position. No charts. No official documents. No quotes from other persons of note. Now, as you might have guessed I am a carebear yet I have no desire to rid highsec of PvP. If this claim of mine is true that alone invalidates your entire manifesto.

My personal problem with mining in lowsec is that my ship costs around 500mill on todays market (thank you for that, btw), and that it can be taken out so easily that the risk is just not worth it.

Still for what it is worth I applaud your effort to provide an argument to justify ganking miners. I do not agree.
Chris Cooley
Doomheim
#275 - 2012-05-24 15:54:45 UTC
A lot of Eves fame in the real word community comes from its player driven economy/market.
Its been mentioned in the Wall street Journal and many other mainstream media sources.
Anyone that wants to make that disappear has their head up their assault frig.
Immogen Telvani
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#276 - 2012-05-24 16:11:01 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

No, what we'll get is more people mining in 0.0

In fact it's happening already. Even goons are mining now, I know for a fact.

So pack up your Hulk, start looking for a 0.0 corp and prepare to make more ISK than you've seen before.

Goons mining? Please someone post a screenshot, that must be so emberrassing Lol



They have much experience of 'shooting' things that don't fire back, it's a natural progression.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#277 - 2012-05-24 16:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:

Contrary to your assumptions, minerals have not always gushed forth with the intensity of water coming through a ruptured dam. The economy had to be built up, in order for it to be coming down.

Are minerals getting more expensive? Sure. Is it necessarily a bad thing? No. Stuff will still be built, and stuff will still be destroyed. There will always be miners. We are simply culling those that are weak and ignorant. And quite frankly, I prefer it this way. When things are expensive, pvp feels less like an inconsequential deathmatch.



YOu're such a hardcore PvPer huh? So you're for sure will enjoy the future hardcore Prices as maybe will like as 10 -20 Millions for a T1 frig, 50 -90 Millions for a t1 Cruiser.....150--200 Millions for a simple T1 BC and maybe 350 - 500+ Millions for a simple t1 BS....and those are only the prices will be for non factional ships incoming perhaps.

So Hopefully you SO proud Hardcore Elite PvPers will enjoy your Selfcreated Hardcore ELite Prices P

Sincerly

Andre Jean Sarpantis (Roleplayed Nepew from the Serpentis founder)

You have a lack of understanding of basic economics principles. People will exploit opportunities. If mining becomes competitive with other pve activities (it is starting to), then people will brave the increased risks to reap much higher rewards (they are starting to).

If the prices you quoted above ever come to pass, it would mean that ISK has become very common, or that minerals have become extremely rare. Neither will happen if a few thousand high-sec miners quit playing, because their output simply isn't that significant. You are giving high-sec carebears more credit than they are due.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#278 - 2012-05-24 20:04:19 UTC
James 315 wrote:
More Stuff

Just wondered, did you miss Post 250 or are you just ignoring it so you don't have to answer to your unfounded conclusions/assumptions....?
James 315 wrote:
You also pay undue attention to the specific number of the (many thousands of) miners killed by Hulkageddon. You completely failed to account for the much larger impact of miners who stopped mining because of Hulkageddon, and who weren't in the belts to be shot at. You know the old saying--if there are ten crows on a fence and you hit one by throwing a rock at it, how many are left? None, because the others flew away.


To go with your "10 crows on a wire" analogy, that leaves 9 miners in station who will be back when it's "safer". I for one (as a former participant in Hulkageddon) don't think Hulkageddon can last all year...


Or to put it bluntly, how long after hulkageddon ends before the miners are back?


dolt.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#279 - 2012-05-24 20:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Goons did say theyre here to destroy the game after all


No, no, no, no.
Get it right for once.

They are here to destroy YOUR! game.


Sigh....





Yes its funny how they walked that statement back...

Its called a lie. look it up

Or do actions speak less loudly than words to only you?

James 315 wrote:
John Caligan wrote:
I don't get it: Is your endgame to get rid of bots, or just to stop all hisec mining forever?
The latter.

Quote:
If it's the latter, than YOU ARE A F****** IDIOT. Yes, you WILL stop hisec mining. But you then forget that with no hisec miners, volumes of the lower-level ores will drastically decrease, causing HUGE price spikes.
Even if that's true, so what?



Pretty much SHOWS the lie in that walkback. He doesnt want to kill bots, he wants all highsec mining destroyed. Yeah THAT wont affect the game AT ALL

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#280 - 2012-05-24 20:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Andre Jean Sarpantis wrote:

Contrary to your assumptions, minerals have not always gushed forth with the intensity of water coming through a ruptured dam. The economy had to be built up, in order for it to be coming down.

Are minerals getting more expensive? Sure. Is it necessarily a bad thing? No. Stuff will still be built, and stuff will still be destroyed. There will always be miners. We are simply culling those that are weak and ignorant. And quite frankly, I prefer it this way. When things are expensive, pvp feels less like an inconsequential deathmatch.



YOu're such a hardcore PvPer huh?


540 kills says yes

especially vs your 0 and 2 losses

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.