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War Declaration mechanic - as it is
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Aversun
Systems Federation
#1 - 2012-05-11 19:19:36 UTC
So i got into a debate (re: a shouting match that may or may not have permanently killed a friendship) offsite with another eve player about War Dec, and it has me wondering exactly whats the point of it when you can PvP in high sec in spite of the dec, or go down into low and null and have even more fun.

War Dec, as i understand it and from what i could get from the wiki entry lets you:
-Gank the hell out of another corp and vice verca without Concord stepping in for a sum paid each week by the agressing corp.

Now we all know that you can do this for free (minus ship replacements and standings damage) by suicide ganks. So her argument was this is a absurd mechanic, because, well as i stated above, you can go into low sec or null and do it

I'm basically trying to (probably ineptly) fill in my knowledge gaps here so the next time i get into a shouting match, I am better armed
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#2 - 2012-05-11 19:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Aversun wrote:
So i got into a debate (re: a shouting match that may or may not have permanently killed a friendship) offsite with another eve player about War Dec, and it has me wondering exactly whats the point of it when you can PvP in high sec in spite of the dec, or go down into low and null and have even more fun.

War Dec, as i understand it and from what i could get from the wiki entry lets you:
-Gank the hell out of another corp and vice verca without Concord stepping in for a sum paid each week by the agressing corp.

Now we all know that you can do this for free (minus ship replacements and standings damage) by suicide ganks. So her argument was this is a absurd mechanic, because, well as i stated above, you can go into low sec or null and do it

I'm basically trying to (probably ineptly) fill in my knowledge gaps here so the next time i get into a shouting match, I am better armed


Lowsec/nullsec doesn't have as MANY idiots as hisec does. Though, some would argue that point :)

A wardec allows you to gank someone (usually inept mission runners and haulers) without losing sec status.

There's a saying in EVE, "People don't wanna fight you. They wanna gank you."

So yeah, hisec wardecs are lame :)

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Aversun
Systems Federation
#3 - 2012-05-11 19:31:58 UTC
well i thought of another reason to hisec war: less third party getting in on the fun
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-11 20:08:04 UTC
wardec'n is mostly for gankbears or people who are pvp-challenged. The mechanics are easily exploitable which is partly why they are being changed for Inferno.
Aversun
Systems Federation
#5 - 2012-05-11 20:14:54 UTC
right, and i mentioned that in the ahem, debate
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#6 - 2012-05-11 20:39:08 UTC
From the title I thought this post was going to explain the war dec mechanics because I really don't know. Can you still just avoid the wardec by leaving the corp?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#7 - 2012-05-11 20:42:16 UTC
Aversun wrote:
well i thought of another reason to hisec war: less third party getting in on the fun


Clearly you've never met Nova Ardour or God Squad and their army of neutral logistics.

Btw- never worth arguing with anybody in EVE (especially a RL friend) over internet spaceships. Everyone thinks they're right

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Aversun
Systems Federation
#8 - 2012-05-11 20:42:32 UTC
far as i know. as a side, can you edit titles once you post something?
Aversun
Systems Federation
#9 - 2012-05-11 20:44:31 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Aversun wrote:
well i thought of another reason to hisec war: less third party getting in on the fun


Clearly you've never met Nova Ardour or God Squad and their army of neutral logistics.

Btw- never worth arguing with anybody in EVE (especially a RL friend) over internet spaceships. Everyone thinks they're right


Probably not, and it was more of a debate at first, then fightin words got tossed around
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#10 - 2012-05-11 20:55:54 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:

Btw- never worth arguing with anybody in EVE (especially a RL friend) over internet spaceships. Everyone thinks they're right



Do you think I would argue if I knew I was wrong?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Aversun
Systems Federation
#11 - 2012-05-11 22:47:26 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:

Btw- never worth arguing with anybody in EVE (especially a RL friend) over internet spaceships. Everyone thinks they're right



Do you think I would argue if I knew I was wrong?

lol, it was more of a "why/why note" argument in this case
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#12 - 2012-05-12 03:03:14 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
Aversun wrote:
well i thought of another reason to hisec war: less third party getting in on the fun


Clearly you've never met Nova Ardour or God Squad and their army of neutral logistics.

Btw- never worth arguing with anybody in EVE (especially a RL friend) over internet spaceships. Everyone thinks they're right

That's not a third party, it's a mountain of alts and in an actual fight those alts are functionally identical to in corp characters.
Thorian Crystal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-05-12 07:55:08 UTC
Basically it feels somewhat absurd that you can just war dec and gank people and Concord says "Ah, you guys have a little war here, carry on" and sails away while the gankers burn the often innocent war victims. But in the next pocket of space, something illegal occurs and the criminal is being exploded by the Concord who shouts "better have a war going on next time, idiot!"
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-12 14:43:23 UTC
I want to see you remove a highsec POS without a wardec.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#15 - 2012-05-12 14:50:22 UTC
Wardecs allow you to fight in any ship, even ones that would be stupidly expensive to gank with.
Aversun
Systems Federation
#16 - 2012-05-12 15:45:33 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I want to see you remove a highsec POS without a wardec.

Oops Forgot about dem High Sec PoS
Aversun
Systems Federation
#17 - 2012-05-13 19:05:32 UTC
hmmmm, some thoughts to add to this. would the 2 mil/week price be viewed in a certain light as a bribe to concord to stay out of the way? If we move along those lines, mayhap the upcoming war changes could allow the defending corp the option to pay in for hmm limited interventions because they're greasing some palms.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2012-05-14 03:49:05 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I want to see you remove a highsec POS without a wardec.

I'm pretty sure there's a way to do that, but I never got around to testing it.
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-14 05:06:32 UTC
Thorian Crystal wrote:
Basically it feels somewhat absurd that you can just war dec and gank people and Concord says "Ah, you guys have a little war here, carry on" and sails away while the gankers burn the often innocent war victims. But in the next pocket of space, something illegal occurs and the criminal is being exploded by the Concord who shouts "better have a war going on next time, idiot!"



Hi.
read some of the CCP novells about EVE.
Then you understand the war dec mechanics.

War dec system is broken and about to be fixed.
Remove war dec system is fine by me as long as high sec POS, high sec incursion and all L4 agents are moved to low sec.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-15 11:02:05 UTC
Thorian Crystal wrote:
Basically it feels somewhat absurd that you can just war dec and gank people and Concord says "Ah, you guys have a little war here, carry on" and sails away while the gankers burn the often innocent war victims. But in the next pocket of space, something illegal occurs and the criminal is being exploded by the Concord who shouts "better have a war going on next time, idiot!"


CONCORD make no sense at all

Explain hisec incursions for me please?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
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