Player Features and Ideas Discussion

People aren't saying JF's are the only reason nullsec isn't industrialized.... They are only one part of a large series of game design flaws that encourage sucking the jita teat...

It's pretty ridiculous the discrepancies between nullsec industry and highsec industry. There is almost NO reason to build in Nullsec, because highsec has:
-- More manufacturing slots
-- More Research slots
-- Much better Refine Rates
-- Easy Access to materials.
-- More customers
-- A much, much, much safer operating environment....

In truth, nerfing the JF is not the right place to start when trying to improve nullec industry. By itself, a JF nerf won't promote nullsec industry... and may actually inhibit it, as bringing resources to/from null becomes more difficult. At the same time, I think safe cyno travel, that allows a ship to undock, wait 10 seconds while invulnerable, then cyno directly to another station, wait 10 s (albeit no longer invlunerable), and then dock is a poor design. It's essentially riskless travel, which should not happen in nullsec and lowsec!!!!

As I said... nerfing JF's could inhibit nullsec industry exactly for the reason you suggested. At the same point in time, I think my "no more cynoing into dock range of a station" nerf or an increase to JF/JB fuel cost wouldn't be inhibiting. It really depends on the severity and nature of their nerf...

In your defense, I do understand what you mean.

The Instant-Travel issue you speak of does kill off the life of MMORPGs. For instance, in DAOC back in the oldschool-days. People used to use horses or walk through the zones; at rare times to come and rescue the noob who took on a monster that was too strong (you lost a chunk XP when you die, unlike WoW).
Anyhow, various zones are pretty much dead because of the porting systems - I'm sure it happened in WoW too, though that was certainly caused by the Addons.


That said, Instant-Travel indeed has a negative impact.


However, we must keep in mind that Logistics and moving obnoxious m³ of assets is too much of a liability that just kills times and mojo. Of course it would be cool to intercept some Oregon Trail of ships - I second that to be honest, but I'd rather not see the JFs just nerfed that heavily.

As a subtle suggestion:
Rather than point-to-point Cyno jumps, I'd rather have that BSG "blind jump" sort of features with mild deviations when jumping. Have it jump to a system in range but have it land at some random deadspace spot some 40AUs away or more from the star - and give the jump drive a siginificant cool down until the next jump as well as a timed penalty until the JF can warp.

Would be one of those small things to give hostiles time to probe it out.


This does not fix your nerf desire however. Just give an additional chance of intercepting it somehow.
I know it is far-fetched.

CCP does not care about the "Little guy". Every single implementation or improvement made to game mechanics has only ever made life harder for the smaller corps and alliances and easier for the larger ones.

If CCP was interested in the "Little guy" they would put Ice belts,in WH's and make resources available only in 0.0 by massive Alliances, available to smaller Alliances in other "space".

They would also make Sovereignty attainable by small corps and alliances, Rather then charging billions a month per system sov, as well as making it nigh impossible for a non (Massive number) capital supported alliance to hold sov.

If you are not a Large alliance you can not do the following in eve:

* Hold Sov
* Create a 0.0 Industrial empire
* Mine 0.0 Ice (Profitably)
* Anchor or create Stations (In a single soved system or wh)
* Build Super caps (Because even if your small alliance can afford it, and has the minerals and materials and ability to build it You need extremely high Sovereignty to apply the upgrade tot he IHUB, and only large alliances can hold enough Soved space, or have a large enough income to afford such)

CCP is about keeping the Rich rich, and the poor poor. The powerful in power, and the smaller little guys in high sec / lowsec.
Anyone who reads teh patch notes and has some general idea about how the mechanics in game coupled with player psychology works knows this and it is blatantly obvious.

There have been 100's of suggestions which would allow the smaller alliances to become very powerful, even a threat to large alliances, using gate locks and soved gate standings (The gate wont let you thorugh unless you have acertain standing to the corp unless you use a special hacking ship to hack the gate, etc and NPC guards in 0.0. (Much like concord hired mercenary NPCs through your upgrade hub to guard your space from neuts and enemies which roam belts sit onthe gates etc)

While yes the above would also make large alliances more powerful, it would make attacking smaller alliances Sovereignty a real challenge and a pain in the ass. CCP doesn't want small alliances in 0.0 or owning sov or in any real power in eve. If they did they could EASILY make it happen, but they don't as I said earlier they only make large alliances more powerful, and make the game harder for the little guy to get anywhere.

Im full of **** you say?

Name 1 Alliance that is under 200-300 (total members) which is not a renter alliance or Pet, or sponsored and supported by or of another Much larger alliance, which Owns and maintains it's own Sovereign systems in 0.0.

You can't because they don't exist. The game is basically designed so that large alliances can come in and mop out anything they want at any time. And CCP refuses to add game mechanics which even remotely hinder this from happening. Such as the ones listed above.

Why? Because the large alliances pay a lot of CCPs bills, and if they new their power basis was threatened they would rage quit. You can see this on any forum post suggesting CCP give the little guys some sort of benefit which may directly or indirectly make them a threat to the Larger alliances.

The big guys come in and go wha wha wha, nerf highsec, nerf wormholes, stop the little guys from taking our profits and make it harder to live in high sec and play the game.

And what does CCP do? Oky doky big 0.0 guys, Nerfstick to highsec, nerfstick to wormhole ABC ores, Nerfstick to wardec grief defenses in highsec, nerf this nerf that tot he little people.

And now they have implimetned a system which requires a small corp wardec'ed by griefers to PAY CONCORD an increasing amount of isk to hire allies 9increases exponentially for every ally after the first PLUS whatever that ally might charge) when they are being griefed.... I mean what the **** CCP... what the ****..... Are you TRYING to destroy smaller corps and alliances and make people quit playing and paying your subs?

Sorry about the rant, but seriously the last few patches from the CCP devs have done nothing but gimp the people who like to play in highsec. they ******* pay to play like everyone else. Stop ******* nerfing them.

Honestly Id like to see some serious 0.0 nerfs, and give the highsec and wh guys some serious buffs, then watch all the 0.0 Large alliances tear up the forums with rage quits.