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Is exploration broken?

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Vulix
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-11 06:52:13 UTC
I've been scouring both high sec and low sec systems that have little traffic, and have just been finding no exploration sites, specifically radar. About all I run into is wormholes and an occassional complex to fight rats in. I've hheard I have to explore immediately after downtime to get the most out of it, but that's unrealistic because downtime happens at 3 A.M. for me. Is exploration a bit off or am I just doing it wrong?
Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-11 06:53:54 UTC
To answer your question, YES.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-11 07:01:23 UTC
Someone in local was having the same issue. He had been scanning systems for several hrs and wasn't getting anything but wormholes.

I scanned 5 systems and the same results.

Something is off.
Lexmana
#4 - 2012-05-11 07:11:06 UTC
You don't need to scout after DT at least not according to the current understanding of spawn mechanics: when sites are cleared they soon (how soon is debated, my take on it is that it is probably not immediately but that is another article) respawn again somewhere esle in the same region. Only sites the reach the timer (7 days I think but a little unsure on this) without being completed will despawn and respawn at a new location at DT.

What you see is the result of scarcity of sites and competition to find and clear the sites in popular areas. All explorers tries to find quiet systems with "little traffic" so the traffic you do see in these systems is likely to have a much higher proportion of explorers. Quiet for some but busy for others.

Bottom line, you need to scan a lot to find the goodies. Or so I have heard, I never find the goodies myself.

Vulix
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-11 07:16:18 UTC
So it's not really a worthwhile career it seems, besides for the novelty of it?
Lexmana
#6 - 2012-05-11 07:20:24 UTC
Vulix wrote:
So it's not really a worthwhile career it seems, besides for the novelty of it?

It is chance based with a potential for huge profits but mostly long dry spells. A little like a lottery. It takes a certain personality and do not ever expect a steady income. You won't get it. Also, highsec is probably the worst place to explore in.
Prince Kobol
#7 - 2012-05-11 07:24:03 UTC
I did exploration for a couple of months and found it to be the biggest waste of time in Eve.

I mostly scanned low sec systems as well as a couple of system in null sec.

When you consider the time + risk v reward, exploration has to be the worst profession in Eve by a long long long way.

Castor II
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-11 07:46:40 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I did exploration for a couple of months and found it to be the biggest waste of time in Eve.

I mostly scanned low sec systems as well as a couple of system in null sec.

When you consider the time + risk v reward, exploration has to be the worst profession in Eve by a long long long way.



Huh really?

I made a couple of bil in a week or so scanning in hisec.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-11 08:04:07 UTC
Castor II wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
I did exploration for a couple of months and found it to be the biggest waste of time in Eve.

I mostly scanned low sec systems as well as a couple of system in null sec.

When you consider the time + risk v reward, exploration has to be the worst profession in Eve by a long long long way.



Huh really?

I made a couple of bil in a week or so scanning in hisec.


You'd almost think it's chance based or something?
Roime
Shiva Furnace
#10 - 2012-05-11 08:05:33 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I did exploration for a couple of months and found it to be the biggest waste of time in Eve.

I mostly scanned low sec systems as well as a couple of system in null sec.

When you consider the time + risk v reward, exploration has to be the worst profession in Eve by a long long long way.



I like it because it's fun Cool

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TriadSte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-11 08:07:35 UTC
I think the sites are ok, I only operate in null sec but I do personally feel the drops are somewhat rubbish.

Recently and out of maybe 6 sites nothing but overseers effects, no BPCs, no deadspace loot...Just the effects.
Lexmana
#12 - 2012-05-11 08:50:44 UTC
Castor II wrote:
I made a couple of bil in a week or so scanning in hisec.

And here we have a winner!

These kind of comments are common and so is "exploration is broken". Such is the nature of the game. The truth lies somewhere in between. I once made 500m in 10min from salvaging two sites in lowsec. That doesn't mean I think I can do 3B/hour doing exploration.

ISK wise, there are probably better (and more steady) incomes. Even missioning in highsec can give you several billion ISK a month, every month, if you have stomach to do it. But everything is not about the ISK now is it.
Elara Zetoya
#13 - 2012-05-11 09:32:58 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
ISK wise, there are probably better (and more steady) incomes. Even missioning in highsec can give you several billion ISK a month, every month, if you have stomach to do it. But everything is not about the ISK now is it.

A fine point. At least exploration requires a bit more neural activity than soul-numbing mission grinding.

Exploration gives you a fair mix of activities (Combat, salvaging, mining, etc) with a fairly luck-of-the-draw reward. Working as intended, if you ask me.

When I'm good I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm better.

Spectre80
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-11 10:50:23 UTC
i have been long time saying there is way too many wormholes, and too few other exploration sites compared.
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-11 10:56:05 UTC
Yes
Roime
Shiva Furnace
#16 - 2012-05-11 10:57:55 UTC
There is no such thing as too many wormholes <3

Maybe jump in one, and come out with a billion? Might change the attitude Cool

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#17 - 2012-05-11 11:04:37 UTC
If you do it right then high exploration is VERY lucrative, most do it wrong. Having said that it's dried out a bit since last few weeks but I doubt that has anything to do with things being random but more with CCP having changed something.
Darth Kilth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-05-11 11:07:03 UTC
Exploration is very boring ocupation most of the time, but the excitement when you find something is incredible... till you find someone else got their first.
Personally I think it's profits are to unsteady, mission running might not have as much excitement, but at least it lacks the downtime.

Wormholes are great, except if they are occupied since you can count on the fact all mission sites are done and whoever is in it will try to kill you.
Lexmana
#19 - 2012-05-11 11:09:44 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
I doubt that has anything to do with things being random but more with CCP having changed something.

Most people don't understand random :)
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-11 11:21:08 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
If you do it right then high exploration is VERY lucrative, most do it wrong. Having said that it's dried out a bit since last few weeks but I doubt that has anything to do with things being random but more with CCP having changed something.


Maybe, but unlikely. More likely it's human nature and how it reacts to patching, chance based phenomena and the timing between them. Every time there is a patch by CCP, some people who have a simultaneus change of luck(usually bad) suspect, that CCP changed something. I think I've read a thread about this issue after every major release. I think the reasoning goes something like this: My luck has changed and CCP released a patch around the same time, so the change must be cause by CCP changing something in the mechanic.
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