Science & Industry

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IF T2 invention and manufacturing becomes impossible by game mechanics in high sec, then I'll probably stop doing it. If I can do it in lowsec, I'll do that. Not if ti is just a way of making me a target for gankers, but if with some precautions I'm able to do it only rarely losing ships I'll probably keep doing some of it. If invention moves to lowsec, I don't know if my corp will want to have a tower there to allow me to invent, however. I'll have to wait and see.

I'm not likely to want to join one of the sociopathic boys' clubs that pass for nullsec alliances in order to do T2 manufacturing, however. So, if that's the choice, then I'll do something else.

(Citation on the "sociopathic boys' clubs" is here:
http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.ca/2012/05/if-this-is-null-goons-can-have-it.html -- yeah, that's a biased picture, and it's just one coalition, but from what I hear things are more or less the same everywhere.)

I will continue making asstons of money. Actually, I'll probably make substantially more money as the hobbyist highsecbears abandon manufacturing. :D

Yep. Honestly, I don't really see it as a bad thing. A lot of manufactured goods are oversupplied (hence all the whining about margins). Higher barriers to entry would help with that, even if they're relatively superficial ones.

After all, why limit it to T2 production ? Remove all manufacturing slots from highsec and POS assembly arrays aswell.

Products should all be more risky to produce...

I have built T2 in high sec for some time and I can't see what mechanisim could be used to move it out of high sec.

On saying that there are huge implications for moving it out:

1. Just about every tower in high sec would close down if invention goes unless there just used for ME
2. markets in fuel blocks and PI would be greatly effected.
3, Ammo markets would also be effected.

What I can see from the dev blog is more the removal of AFK datacore mining but time will tell.

Either way I will find a way to continue playing the game in a way that suits me.

To go all tin foil hat on it if T2 Manu and invention goes out of high sec then I would say someone will benifit greatly from it, as they say in RL follow the money.

Tin foil hat removed as over use can result in long term objectivity loss

I've given this issue some thought and discussed it with some MD / SCC people.

What i personally think when talking about removing T2 production from hi, unless they want to remove all production from hi (which is unlikely imo) Soundwave is talking about removing the ability to anchor Component arrays in hi, and disallowing to manufacture the T2 components on NPC lines.

As you need to build the T2 components to make T2 (really) profitable this would in turn limit T2 production in Hi.

Although a POS in losec can be defended pretty well (with the new merc system as well) a lot of casual, one man or smaller corp, would drop T2 production due to the perceived risk.

Now, i don't have exact numbers on this, but my guess is a great deal of T2 comes from these small time manufacturers as simply there are a lot of them. If only 50% stops manufacturing T2 supply of everything T2 will be down significantly.
Add to the fact that POSses in losec have great implications for logistics (no more POS close to hubs so a JF would become a requirement really) what we can expect in this scenario that T2 prices would skyrocket.

From a CCP point of view this makes sense though, players have to organize (interact) more and i really have the feeling they are working on levelling the PVP playing field making it more n00b friendly (less T2, smaller hulls due to high prices).

I'll carry on with my trade and industry alt much the same as I do now, never bothered with T2 manufacture and never needed to.

I must say I'm getting very tired and more than a little bored of your ongoing doomsaying and panic posts, world hasn't ended yet and just because there are changes coming it doesn't mean it will.

Manufacturing T1 is a small part of what I do to make money, comes down to it I won't miss it much at all. In this game it pays to have a wide number of money making options, failure to diversify is short sighted.

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Amazing 17 replies already based on some phantom citation from a Dev that the OP has yet to actually produce.

Why not stop any activities in Hi Sec and WH except flying in noob ships?


If the T2 production (any activities: copy, invent or Manuf) willn't be possible in Hi, I will stop playing all of my 4 acc.